BCA Corruption–A new vote

October 29, 2007 at 11:20 am (POLITICS)

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321-332-6830 is the phone number for PayPerPost. Ted Murphy is the President of the company, and Ashley Edwards is his (Ashley is a guy) deputy, or the corporate equivalent thereof.

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76 Comments

  1. micky2 said,

    It absolutely must be the weasel !
    Put his little pumpkin head on the bottom left on top of the jailbird weasel.

    Or you might want to choose from some of these other weasel pics since he really hasnt been locked up, yet.

    http://www.weforanimals.com/free-pictures/wild-animals/weasels/1/weasel-1.htm

  2. mad_adder said,

    Well!!!!!!!!!!! This is a tough decision to make, because I wouldn’t want my vote invalidated by The Tygrrr Express.

    Oh, hell……….,I’ll take a chance……….,and vote for his Mr. Murphy’s likeness in a parody of the Liar Liar poster.

  3. micky2 said,

    Eric,
    Heres another pic I came across.

  4. Stephen R. Maloney said,

    Eric, I hope you and your many readers will take a look at the campaign of William Trower Russell against the odious John Murtha in Pennsylvania’s 12th District. William has had one heckuva life, serving in Desert Storm, Iraqi Freedom, and the Balkans. On 9/11/2001, he AND HIS WIFE were both in the Pentagon when the hijacked plane struck it. Please write a column about William — I’ve done three or four myself at http://www.camp2008victory.blogspot.com/

    You can find information about William at his web site (listed below). He needs our support, both of the moral variety and any other kind available. Here’s the info.

    Trower

    William T Russell

    PO BOX 630

    Johnstown, Pennsylvania 15907

    http://www.williamrussellforcongress.com (Web site)

    william.russell@williamrussellforcongress.com (E-mail)

    (814) 248-3435

  5. patricksperry said,

    Really Eric, you expected integrity? I heard about this loon quite some time ago, and you are right on the money too say the least.

    Keep your chin up, after all, true chutzpa comes from within, not from a billfold.

  6. Jersey McJones said,

    Stephen, even with the sleazy “dump Murtha” campaign under way, Russell doesn’t stand a chance in ’08. Murtha brings home the pork, and he’s right about the war and most Americans agree with him. A pro-war lunatic is not going to win anywhere in ’08 except in extremely Red districts.

    JMJ

  7. micky2 said,

    Really Jersey, the guy was just dropping Eric a note.
    To engage him shows your incredible lack of ability to focus on anything but your hatred for your country. I’m more than willing to bet that Stephan did not drop that post so he could hear your opinion.

    Since you always seem to need some validation of your precense, her ya go.
    Dumping congressman Murtha who has belittled and slanderd our troops more than once cant help but be honorable. Its one thing to be aginst the war, its another thing to lie about the troops.
    Russel may be the new kid on the block, but its about time someone with some real class and integrity got in Murthas face.
    To say Murtha brings home the pork is a phrase you might want to reconsider, jersey.
    By the way, How was you’re break ?

    Murtha may be right about the war in some aspects, but you really must be a little more specific and detailed when you say that because while most of the country agrees we need to get out , they do not agree with Murthas stance which is just to pack up and bail.
    And to call Trower a lunatic is not really accurate or necessary.
    You see Jersey, hes just another guy with a different opinion and has never done anything to even deserve being placed anywhere in the realm of lunacy.
    He has performed decades of sane and honorable service to his country just like most of all the other service men and women we have fighting for us.
    But like Murtha you come fling out of the gate in your first comment on the subject calling people names.

  8. Jersey McJones said,

    Micky, okay. I’ll play. I guess a day counts as “a while.”

    Trower IS a lunatic. Here’s some exerpts from his “What I believe” statement:

    “I believe that all children in our school systems should be educated in English and taught the civic duties and responsibilities of citizenship and patriotism.”

    Great. So if a kid doens’t know English – let him fall behind in every other subject! That’s just great. And hey, let’s just ignore all other languages! That’s working out really great in our utterly failed efforts in the Middle East!

    “…the death tax should be killed.”

    There’s no such a thing as a “Death Tax.” For that alone, I call Trower a lunatic. That, or a sleazy tool of the filthy rich.

    “I believe the Consumption or Fair Tax is the best and most equitable means to ensure all persons who participate in our economy, legally or illegally, pay their fair share and to reward those who build businesses or save and invest their money.”

    Good luck with that, pal. Another loony position.

    “I believe in the right to bear arms and the right of self defense.”

    Re: I think everyone should be armed to the teeth.

    “I believe we should all practice charity in some form or fashion, especially to those who are suffering and least fortunate, but it must be voluntary and spring from a spirit of altruism and love for our neighbors.”

    Welcome back to the 13th century.

    “Finally, I believe there is room to acknowledge the role of our Creator in public life as stated in the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution.”

    Lunatic.

    “The mention of God in the Pledge, and asking his blessings for our nation and our safety before ball games, classes, and public meetings does not constitute the establishment of a state religion and does not discriminate against anyone.”

    Pandering lunatic.

    He’s a loony, Micky. And he doesn’t stand a chance, especially running on a steaming pile nonsensical, inane, pandering, divisive, unrealistic positions.

    He’s a loony.

    JMJ

  9. micky2 said,

    beg to differ, on more logical and realistic terms as follows.

    “I believe that all children in our school systems should be educated in English and taught the civic duties and responsibilities of citizenship and patriotism.”

    You said;
    Great. So if a kid doens’t know English – let him fall behind in every other subject! That’s just great.”

    He never said let anyone fall behind, now did he ? ( I expect an answer) You are taking it all out of context to support your agenda and putting words in the mans mouth, its plain to see. You just did it.
    Being educated in english is not only fair and normal, it is far from looney.
    If you went to another country teaching in any other language besides english, would you demand to be taught in english ?
    You would be the lunatic.
    These people have absolutly no right to expect us to turn or syetem upside down to educate them.
    Lets put it this way. Since hopefully these kids will be in an american work force one day and they are studying in english speaking schools, common sense would dictate that they first learn english.
    It would be a hell of a lot simpler that teaching every class in their language of choice.
    And save the tax payers a hell of a lot of money by not having to hire translaters etc…
    You want to be an American? Speak english.
    What if I decided that you and I should converse in Danish. Just because I immigrated from there ?

    You said;
    . And hey, let’s just ignore all other languages! That’s working out really great in our utterly failed efforts in the Middle East!

    We dont ignore other languages or teaching other languages, spanish, german, french, japanese, chinese are offerd in most public high schools, where have you been ?
    Right now our market place and social structures offer more translations in more languages in more places than any other country, even the freeking bathrooms in America tell folks how to operate a pay toilet in five languages.
    So as you can see your assumptions and accuasations of lunacy are blind to the real world.
    As far as the Middle east goes,
    I kicked your ass on that “utterly failed ” statement a week ago.
    drop the drum and find another approach to your distatse for the war.
    Your comment on languages and the middle east is pretty sarcastic, but doesnt really say what the hell your talking about. Or how the two even relate or have anything to do with each other.

    “I believe the Consumption or Fair Tax is the best and most equitable means to ensure all persons who participate in our economy, legally or illegally, pay their fair share and to reward those who build businesses or save and invest their money.”

    You said;
    “Good luck with that, pal. Another loony position.”

    Looney ?
    Taxing at the point of consumption (excise) already has been proven a viable means of collecting in proportion to one income regardless of where or how they gort the money.
    It cant be to looney because you are subject to this already no matter what you buy.
    Looney is Hillary and all the things she wants to offer us at the cost of tax payers. Do you want the list ? She went as far as to say that the free market is the most destructive force in our country. That is looney and quite frankly stupidly dangerous.
    Without that free market she where does she expect to get a dime of all the money she wants to dish out ?

    You said;
    There’s no such a thing as a “Death Tax.” For that alone, I call Trower a lunatic. That, or a sleazy tool of the filthy rich.

    The estate, gift and generation-skipping tax
    (which is really a Death Tax)?
    After utilization of a $625,000 exemption, the rate of tax is 37% and once assets have reached the size of $3 million, the rate of tax is 55%.

    So Jersey McJones as you can see the death tax actually does exist The true title would be “The estate, gift and generation-skipping tax”

    But you must do whatever you can , even if it means playing simple word games to go out of your way to look more looney than those you accuse of it yourself.

    Death Tax is just another simpler and to the point title for something that is as real as what you are reading right now.

    “I believe in the right to bear arms and the right of self defense.”

    You said;
    Re: I think everyone should be armed to the teeth.
    So what ? whats your point ?
    besides that, its just a radical exagerated interpretation of what he said, by you.
    It was a simple statement supporting a right we already have.
    And as if to make some kind of point (?) you ramble of some ridicilous interpretation.

    “I believe we should all practice charity in some form or fashion, especially to those who are suffering and least fortunate, but it must be voluntary and spring from a spirit of altruism and love for our neighbors.”
    You said;
    Welcome back to the 13th century

    I think everyone would like to be enlightened as to what your talking about, should we force charity ?

    Finally, I believe there is room to acknowledge the role of our Creator in public life as stated in the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution.”
    You said;
    “Lunatic.”

    He said “acknowledge”
    Not shove it down your throat. What are you doing for Christmas Jersey ?

    Millions of Christians or spiritual people are not LUNATICS because they would like to see a symbol of their faith in public. I live across the street from a 20 acre Buddist temple, so what ? It a nice place, its a tourist attraction. I like going there to feed the Koy and the birds. And its very public.

    “The mention of God in the Pledge, and asking his blessings for our nation and our safety before ball games, classes, and public meetings does not constitute the establishment of a state religion and does not discriminate against anyone.”

    You said;
    “Pandering lunatic.”

    Hes a lunatic because he looks to the Christian majority for votes ?
    Besides that , how does me saying “GOD” in front of you discriminate against you or try to connect the church with the state ?
    I thought moonbats were all about tolerence ?

    You said;
    “He’s a loony, Micky. And he doesn’t stand a chance, especially running on a steaming pile nonsensical, inane, pandering, divisive, unrealistic positions.

    He’s a loony.”

    Once again Jersey, I could easily say the same thing about almost any candidate out there that I dont care for. But I dont. I describe my position and claims by backing it up with examples of what I’m claiming.
    Because all though Murtha and few other guys out there are choice asswipes, they are not lunatics.
    Do you or can you supply any related documents of Russel being looney ?
    Yes, I know , its just your opinion, but its really more of nothing than anything.
    Being a patriot with a different view other than yours does not make them lunatics.

    You boy is almost a criminal;
    Check it out ! I have the goods, what have you got ! Nothing but your opinion ! AGAIN !

    Rep. Timothy F. Murphy is a third-term member of Congress, representing Pennsylvania’s 18th congressional district. Rep. Murphy’s ethics violations involve his misuse of official resources for political campaign activity. Rep. Murphy currently is the target of a Department of Justice investigation.
    Murtha’s ethics violations stem from abuse of his position on the subcommittee to benefit the lobbying firm of a former long-term staffer and from threatening to block earmarks of other members for political purposes. Rep. Murtha was included as a member to watch in CREW’s 2006 report on congressional corruption.

    He doesnt even want anyone to be able to investigate the ethics commitee ?
    What the hell?

  10. Jersey McJones said,

    Micky, let me try to be as clear as possible here: I think this guy is a loony. Okay?

    * I never said that this loony said “let anyone fall behind” (regarding multi-lingual public education), but that is what would be accomplished if this loony had his way. While I do believe that gradual and integrated English immersion curricula is a good idea, I am convinced that a complete ban on teaching in alternate languages is counter-intuitive and counter-productive. Just plain stupid. And loony. And irony of ironies – completely counter to the precepts of local and state rights.

    * As for the consumption tax, in theory I am not against it if it is installed in a certain few ways. It would boost savings and investment while reducing superfluous and irresponsible spending, after all. On the other hand, banks and financial institutions are not always the best handlers of our money either, and in all likelyhood, it would be applied very regressively. On top of all that, the odds of the dismantling of the entire income tax infrastructure seem infinitessimally small.

    * There is no such a thing as a “Death Tax.” Dead people can’t pay taxes, or do anything else other than decompose.

    * We have to find a way to reduce the illegal sale of arms. What we have done has worked a little, but we still need more. More enforcement and more personal responsibility. We have to go after crooked dealers and proxy buyers. That shouldn’t frighten you, Micky. But then, Fear is the trademark of the Right.

    * I’m sorry, I think all religious people are a little nuts. It has no bearing on whether I like or respect them, but I do consider it a strange way of looking at the world. Two reasons: God is probably not real, and even if he was, God is not a very nice guy.

    * Murtha does have ethics and law issues – no doubt about it. All I was initially saying was that this particular loony can’t beat him right now. Murtha’s been raking in the pork. Local voters like that. A minority rep, who’s a loony, can’t offer that. Just reality, Micky. Just reality.

    JMJ

  11. micky2 said,

    J said;
    I never said that this loony said “let anyone fall behind”

    YOU SAID IN PLAIN ENGLISH !!!!!

    Great. So if a kid doens’t know English – let him fall behind in every other subject!

    So why would you say it as if he did ????? Alright ? Stop weaseling !
    GOD ! How freeking stupid do think people are ? You cant be too bright if you really believe we are all that dumb!

    You said.
    complete ban on teaching in alternate languages is counter-intuitive and counter-productive. Just plain stupid. And loony. And irony of ironies – completely counter to the precepts of local and state rights.

    Look!!!! READ MY POST AND WHILE YOU’RE AT IT RE-STUDY THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE !!

    No body said anything about not learning other languages in any capacity.

    You are at it again jersey , again and again you change and bob and weave and avoid serious debate by constantly changing issues and points that are not condusive to the subject at hand .
    “(regarding multi-lingual public education)” < What is this ? I’ll tell you what it is, it this;
    ” OH ! What I meant to say” Thats what it is !
    You should of said that in the beggining !
    But of course as usual you woose out ang say “Awww what I really meantt was…
    God you’re pathetic and weak !

    Jersey said;
    And irony of ironies – completely counter to the precepts of local and state rights.

    Which were written in english.

    You said;
    “On the other hand, banks and financial institutions are not always the best handlers of our money either, ”

    A hell of a lot better than the government jersey !

    You said ;
    There is no such a thing as a “Death Tax.” Dead people can’t pay taxes, or do anything else other than decompose.

    Now you’re just being a liitle kid playing word games, grow up !

    It is the amount that an individual can pass, free of gift tax during life or estate tax at death to anyone they choose.

    When is the “Death Tax” due?
    The tax is due 9 months after the date of death, and is payable in cash.

    Its just another name for the same thing as an inheritance or trust fund left by deceased members thats all !
    So stop the nanny boo boo kid games !

    you said ;
    “Two reasons: God is probably not real, and even if he was, God is not a very nice guy.”

    Probably is !
    from your perspective, if he isnt real, how can he be not nice ?
    You would actually have to have some faith in his existance to make that statement .intelligently.
    You doubt he exists, yet you are sure hes not nice, care to explain that ?
    And I saw the part ” and even if he was”. That dont cut it
    NOW THAT IS CERTIFIABLE !! LOL !!!

    By the way, I never said Trower could win, i just said he was no lunatic.

    Try reading more than you can already, it would open a whole new world to you.

    If you notice I started on my first post about as rational and diplomatic as I could be.
    But you choose to take the semanticly deceptive and disengenuous route again.

    And just for the record, lets look at this statement and let me make one thing clear to you, once and for all.

    J said;
    “Micky, let me try to be as clear as possible here: I think this guy is a loony. Okay?”

    If thats your only point, great ! I think hes a knight in shining armour !
    I think hes Einstien reincarnated
    I think hes like Mother Theresa !
    But you know what ? So what ?
    It puts forth nothing of any substance in the realm of converasation.

    WE are all entitled to think what we want , but the least you could do is explain WHY !
    Instead of just saying hes a loon, hes a loon.
    HERE !
    A lunatic (colloquially: “looney”) is a commonly used term for a person who is mentally ill.

  12. Jersey McJones said,

    Micky, please, God, stop focusing on minutia.

    Are we actually conversing, or are you talking to an imaginary character named “Jersey?”

    I THINK THIS GUY IS A LOON. Okay? Just my opinion. I would not have him Baker-acted for it, but I think he’s a nut. I think you’re a nut, too. That doesn’t mean that I want you punished for that!

    Why is everything personal with you? Get over yourself! Can’t we get past all that and actually discuss the issues?

    JMJ

  13. micky2 said,

    Sure ! Just stand by your own statements.
    And by the way, when you get nailed for trying to BS me, its not MINUTIA.
    And I do take it personally when someone tries to spoon feed me a bunch of deceptive childish crap.

    Heres how it stands.
    There is a death tax, it exists, just not by a name you’re comfortable with.
    I got names for you, but you are still you.
    The are hundreds of legal and government documents to prove I am right.

    You put forth in plain english an implication and insinuation that Trower wants to leave kids behind. With no question mark behind it, as follows;
    “Great. So if a kid doens’t know English – let him fall behind in every other subject!”
    (Its not minutia, its your words.)

    You applied that I said Trower could win. I never said any such thing, but you contested it as if I did ( Talk about imaginary?)

    And you seem to have contempt for a God you claim does not exist.

    You’re not doing very well on the score card, only that I cant take your beliefs away from you.
    Nor would I care to.
    But if you stop insulting peoples intelligence as if you were some grand poopa of it all you would get better answers and conversations.
    Like I said, I tried to be cool congenial and you blew it by acting like a jerk.
    Just fess up to what you say and stop changing it everytime you get nailed and at least try to defend your original statements.

    I made my point, and I proved it.
    (#1)Murtha is a questionable character and hold an opinion I strongly disagree with, but I dont think hes a lunatic

    I asked you to prove or point out lunacy on the part of William Russel, you could not offere anything but opinion.

    Done deal, see ya !

  14. Jersey McJones said,

    * There’s no such thing as a death tax, Micky. You can’t tax death. There is such a thing as an Estate Tax, which is basically the same as an Inheritance or Gift Tax. Anyone who says otherwise, in my humble opinion, either isn’t all that bright, or has their priorities all screwed up.

    * Pure English immersion curricula is detrimental to the advancement of non-English speaking students in many subjects. Again, anyone who says otherwise, in my humble opinion, either isn’t all that bright, or has their priorities all screwed up.

    * The mythical God of Abraham, as described in the Bible, strikes me as a stupid, sadistic narcissist. And again, anyone who says otherwise, in my humble opinion, either isn’t all that bright, or has their priorities all screwed up.

    * Oh, and Trower is a loony – and probably a sleazy idiot – in my opinion. Like using that whole “Duh, me and my family was in da Pentagon when the plane struck, duh!” Sl-ea-zy.

    JMJ

  15. micky2 said,

    Right here ! Now your just being a baby and playing word games. I already mentioned above the other names it goes by

    http://search.irs.gov/web/query.html?col=allirs&charset=utf-8&qp=&qs=-Wct%3A%22Internal+Revenue+Manual%22&qc=&qm=0&rf=0&oq=&qt=death+tax&search.x=23&search.y=10

  16. micky2 said,

    Once again a substancial post is hard to place.
    Go ahead jersey ! click on the link. They are IRS forms enabling you to file under “DEATH TAX !”
    Just because you dont want to call it that doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
    Theres at least ten forms alone on that one page.

    You are wrong. Period.

  17. micky2 said,

    Jersey said;
    * Pure English immersion curricula is detrimental to the advancement of non-English speaking students in many subjects.”

    Yea, so ?
    Teach em english first ! Is that too simple for you ?

    (Pure english emmersion curricula) WTF ? Who are you trying to impress ?

    LA county has 40 diiferent languages spoken in their schools, you want to teach all courses in 40 different languages.
    (in my humble opinion)

  18. micky2 said,

    J said;
    Like using that whole “Duh, me and my family was in da Pentagon when the plane struck, duh!” Sl-ea-zy.”

    This is where you should get your head slapped right across the room.
    And if I were standing in front of you I would do it.
    Its uncalled for and just plain freeking evil and cruel.

    If you think I didnt like you before, you aint seen nothing yet.

  19. micky2 said,

    LA county has 40 diiferent languages spoken in their schools, you want to teach all courses in 40 different languages.

    Only an idiot would see it as more feasable and fair to expect all our teachers and staff to learn 40 other languages, as opposed to just teaching the one student one language.
    The level of expectancy that this involves is as close to and with no exagerration insanity that I have ever seen or heard.

    It is not in any civilization or cultural circle expected that they all conform to the needs of the individual unless that individual is handicapped beyond the ability to assimilate.

    No more than I would expect a group of people to understand or adapt to my preferences.
    It is for me to understand everyone else, rather than for me to expect everyone to understand me.

    Altering our standards of instruction to the point of teaching it in numerous languages not only takes resources from the already english speaking students, it does not project the non english speaking student into a english speaking environment.
    Which is how we function in this country.

  20. micky2 said,

    Oh! And then theres this one, I almost let it slip.
    lets take it in sections, shall we ?

    Jersey said;
    We have to find a way to reduce the illegal sale of arms. What we have done has worked a little, but we still need more. More enforcement and more personal responsibility. We have to go after crooked dealers and proxy buyers. That shouldn’t frighten you, Micky. But then, Fear is the trademark of the Right.

    j said;
    “We have to find a way to reduce the illegal sale of arms.”

    Really ? Such insight on your part amazes me.

    J said;
    ” We have to go after crooked dealers and proxy buyers”

    Once again, pure raw genious.

    All your suggestions and opinions are nothing new.
    You just want to sound like a politician who says hes going to fix it all but never says how.

    J said
    “But then, Fear is the trademark of the Right. ”

    Really ? You guys are the chicken dung that wants to bail on Iraq and are afraid of a climatictic alteration on the levels of a nuclear holocaust

    Here’s a real winner!

    http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2007/20070912140929.aspx

    “Climate change could have global security implications on a par with nuclear war unless urgent action is taken, a report said on Wednesday,” Jeremy Lovell of Reuters wrote on September 12. Lovell didn’t include any expert skeptical about climate change or its near-nuclear impact on the globe.

    “The most recent international moves towards combating global warming represent a recognition … that if the emission of greenhouse gases … is allowed to continue unchecked, the effects will be catastrophic — on the level of nuclear war,” the IISS report said according to Reuters.

    Talk about fear mongering ! That takes the cake.
    fear works on both sides Jersey, be honest.

    At the most basic level, the liberal is an adolescent forever in search of a world without moral consequence.

    2. Freedom from moral consequence can only be secured by a collectivist, totalitarian state.( FEAR OF MORAL CONSEQUENCES)

    3. Liberals use moralistic tones and catch-phrases like “social justice”, but their only moral is the accumulation of power (FEAR OF LOOSING OR NOT OBTAINING POWER)

    4. Liberals ideologies tend inevitably towards world-wide totalitarianism. (FEAR OF THE ONE)

    5. All non-sexual individual freedoms are despised by the liberal because they demand moral responsibility. (FEAR OF ACCOUNTABILITY)

    6. The fundamental power struggle of the liberal is individual v. collective. The individual must be relieved of all power in favor of the collective. (FEAR OF THE ONE)

    7. Individualism demands moral responsibility. Collectivism hopes to eliminate the need for moral responsibility.

    8. The U.S. Constitution – specifically the individualistic Bill of Rights – is the enemy of the liberal. (FEAR OF DOING ANYTHING ALONE)

    9. The liberal despises the United States because it is the premier gaurantor and promoter of individualism in the world. (YOU FEAR YOUR OWN COUNTRY)

    10. All institutions and concerns – schools, environment, courts, etc. – serve no relevant purpose other than the promotion of collectivism.

    11. Abortion is necessary to gaurantee genital freedom and eliminate moral consequence. (FEAR OF ACCOUNTABILITY)

    12. The basis of psychology is the elimination of moral responsibility. (FEAR OF YOUR MOTHER)

    13. The liberal must create an atmosphere of crisis and fear to justify collectivist oppression. MUNCHOUSEN SYNDROME ON A MASSIVE SCALE)

    14. Any religious person who believes or promotes moral consequence is the enemy of the liberal and must be oppressed. ( YOU FEAR A GOD YOU SAY DOES NOT EXIST)

    15. Despite decades of spectacular failure, the liberal clings to the collectivist dream because it is far more than a theory of government. It is a religion. (A RELIGION OF FEAR)

    17. The liberal seeks to dominate any institution which can weaken or destroy individual parental rights – public schools, child abuse agencies, pediatric associations, etc.. (FEAR OF INDIVIDUAL THOUGHT)

    18. The liberal applauds the imprisoning of homeschooling parents who dare to raise their children outside the control of collectivist public schools. (FEAR OF LOOSING A MEMBER OF THE BORG)

    19. Private ownership of guns is the single greatest symbol of individual power, and therefore despised. (SCARED SOMONE IS GOING TO SHOOT THEM, AND THEY SHOULD BE)

    20. All individual freedoms demand the responsible behaviour of the individual, and therefore demand a moral code. Liberals despise freedom because they despise morality. (FEAR OF MORALITY)

    21. The liberal loves Bill Clinton because of who he is, not in spite of who he is.

    22. The liberal despises national sovereignty which protects individual freedoms.

    23. The liberal promotes international governments (UN, EU, etc.) which seek to destroy individualism protected by sovereign states.

    24. The liberal fears any hint of individualism in any part of the world, and is obsessed with the centralized control of all human activity and thought.

    25. “Multi-culturalism” is the code world for a single, oppressive, collectivist culture.

    26. Liberals speak often of tolerance, but only tolerate liberals. (FEAR OF CONSERVATIVES)

    27. The liberal seeks to criminalize any speech which promotes morality or individualism as “hate speech”. (FEAR OF PEOPLE)

    28. Environmentalists lie as a matter of course. (CONSTANTLY)

    29. The liberal’s only method of debate is to insult and discredit anyone who dares to disagree. (FEAR OF BEING WRONG)

    30. When possible, liberals opress anyone who questions their beliefs.

    31. Liberals despise all innocence – especially the innocence of a child.

    32. Liberals seek the sexualization of children and the normalization of pedophilia, all in the pursuit of genital freedom.

    33. In the liberal mind, your freedom is their oppression.

    34. Private property and individual wealth is integral to individualism, and the enemy of the liberal.

    35. The liberal hates you.

    36. The liberal seeks to replace a moral world view with an emotional world view.

    37. The liberal typically chooses a career which produces nothing of value – lawyer, bureaucrat, “activist”, etc. – and uses government to extract the wealth of others.

    38. Liberal programs enrich liberals and do little to help the poor.

    39. The liberal despises masculinity as a symbol of individual power.

    40. Feminists groups are about lesbianism and socialism, not equal rights for women.

    41. Liberals are perfectly willing to destroy you financially, remove your children, and imprison you for what you believe.

    42. Liberals fear technology and change – because neither can be centrally controlled.

    43. Liberals are not obsessed with sex, but with promiscuity. Promiscuity is the dominate theme of the liberal media culture.

    44. Liberals despise the suburbs as a manifestation of individual prosperity, private property ownership, and the family.

    45. Liberals despise marriage and family because they are institutions which frown on promiscuity.

    46. Liberals are never satisfied with the power they have gained over the lives of individuals – they must control every thought and detail of human activity.

    47. Liberals seek to control public schools, and force all children into them, in order to foster promiscuity and collectivist ideology in children.

    48. Other diseases kill millions more, but liberals are obsessed with Aids because it is a moral consequence of promiscuity.

    49. Liberals are more committed than conservatives because their politics is also their religion.

    50. Liberal activities are all about ego – to demonstrate “I care more than you do” without really helping anyone.

    51. Whenever a liberal expresses concern “for the children”, they are using and targeting children to expand promiscuity, collectivism, and their own pocketbooks and egos.

    52. Because collectivist politics is their only morality, liberals have no problem with deceit, oppression, or violence in their pursuit of collectivism.

    53. Liberals are elitests who exempt themselves from the oppressive rules they impose on the general population.

    54. Liberals howl if a transvestite or convicted felon is even slightly offended, but openly bash Christians.

    55. Liberals dream of a return to a centralized, 1940’s urban environment. We all ride the bus from a small, dirty, big city apartment to an 8-5 union job.

    56. Liberals believe that wealth is static – anyone who makes money must be stealing it from someone else.

    57. Liberals claim to be against violence, but makes excuses for liberals like Castro who torture political dissidents.

    58. Liberals have enormous compassion for criminal predators, but little for the victims.

    59. In the liberal world, all problems stem from individualism, and all solutions are collective.

    60. Liberals believe that passing religious values to children is a form of child abuse.

    It would only be fair to say that you guys have few issues also.

  21. greg said,

    micky2, there are so many simply silly things in your last post that it would take way too long to rebut, but I’ll just give you one: the notion that the biggest threat to American national security is not terrorism but global warming came in a 2003 report by the United States Department of Defense.

  22. Jersey McJones said,

    Micky,

    * There is no such a thing as the Death Tax. Get over it. Lord knows you’ll never be affected by the estate tax anyway. Dead people can’t pay taxes. Maybe vampires and undead do. Why don’t you ask a few tonight?

    * Schools are local and state concerns. That is the system we have. It’s really none of your business what L.A. does unless you live tere.

    * Don’t be an Internet punk. It’s creepy.

    * Thanks for that goofball list of your’s. Now I have something to wipe with when next I take a poo.

    JMJ

  23. micky2 said,

    J said;
    “Lord knows you’ll never be affected by the estate tax anyway. ”

    Its safe to say you sure as hell dont know, but my father in law who loves me and his daughter and grandson is a very wealthy man and would prove you wrong ina heartbeat. I already am part custodian of his estate when he passes.

    J said;
    Dead people can’t pay taxes. Maybe vampires and undead do. Why don’t you ask a few tonight?”

    You’re about as funny as a submarine with a screen door.
    Obviously you are too ignorant to stop playing word games.
    You keep refering to the death tax as if we were asking a dead man to pay it.

    This a form of lying, because I assume (God forgive me) that you know I am not talking about taxing corpses, but you keep saying that is what I’m saying , give it up, its weak and really childish.

    You said;
    “Schools are local and state concerns. That is the system we have. It’s really none of your business what L.A. does unless you live tere.”

    Hmmm, this has nothing to do with anything we spoke of or the point you were trying to drive.
    Its just another weak pathetic attempt to look as if you are being intelligent

    You said we should teach classes in schools, so I dont see if it matters which state.
    And my daughter lives in LA so dont pretend you know my business.
    I dont tell you what is and is not your business, just WTF do you think you are ?

    J said;
    Don’t be an Internet punk. It’s creepy.

    Punk HUH? At least I dont lie, no matter what you call me
    And I’ll be whatever I want, especially if it creeps you out.

    Quite honestly , you would be the punk, because you (AGAIN) provide absolutley nothing to back up your claims and statements.

    I have showed you the death tax exists in goverment IRS documents, its there, no matter what you say, I have proof. You failed miserably on that one.

    You never answerd on the schooling of kids in english so I can only assume that you have no data to back up your claim or reasoning.
    You changed it to a position of state or fed application which made absolutley no sense whatsoever.

    So will you be wiping your mouth with my goofball list ?

  24. Jersey McJones said,

    Micky,

    “…my father in law who loves me and his daughter and grandson is a very wealthy man and would prove you wrong ina heartbeat. I already am part custodian of his estate when he passes.”

    I doubt he’s THAT rich. Besides, there are plenty of ways around the estate tax.

    Taxes on unearned windfall income are fair and perfectly American. It is one of our oldest forms of taxation, and it’s just the right thing to do. Paris Hilton and the Walton kids are filthy rich enough (for nothing). They should pay their fair share.

    School districts do pretty much whatever they want. If they choose to to stupid things, so be it.

    “I have showed you the death tax exists in goverment IRS documents, its there, no matter what you say, I have proof.”

    Maybe the Bush IRS just wanted to score poltical points. I don’t know. but legally and literally speaking, only a fool would believe there is such a thing as the “death tax.”

    “You never answerd on the schooling of kids in english so I can only assume that you have no data to back up your claim or reasoning.”

    The data is conflicting. There seemss to be a balance of immersion and separation that works pretty well in some cases. But there are so many experiments going on with these curricula, that it’s hard to pin strong results down. One thing is for certain though – ideologically driven calls to go all one way or the other are by definition stupid.

    “So will you be wiping your mouth with my goofball list ?”

    That list was about the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. My butt actually lost an IQ point from wiping with it.

    JMJ

  25. micky2 said,

    J said
    “I doubt he’s THAT rich. Besides, there are plenty of ways around the estate tax.”

    This is completely besides the point. Besides that , he is VERY WEALTHY !

    J said;
    Taxes on unearned windfall income are fair and perfectly American”

    http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i706/16779e15.gif- 1352423633.html
    … 2. Death taxes payable from prior transfer … 11. State death taxes paid ( … 33(d) Section 2014 foreign death tax credit” field “ …

    Instructions for Form 706-NA (10/2006)
    … Death Tax Treaties … date of the decedent’s death. … States at the time of death. For purposes of this form …

    Tax Law Changes for Gifts and Estates and Trusts
    … State death tax credit reduction … Reduction of Credit for State Death Taxes … dying after 2004, the state death tax credit is replaced with a …

    The subject at hand is if the death tax exists or not what the Hiltons or anyone else does, and it has nothing to do with fools believing anything . Its a perfectly legal term used in replacement of much lengthier titles.
    SO STOP WITH THE WORD GAMES ! YOU LOOK LIKE A FOOL! YOU LOST !
    LOOK ABOVE !

  26. micky2 said,

    Also;
    “But there are so many experiments going on with these curricula, that it’s hard to pin strong results down. One thing is for certain though – ideologically driven calls to go all one way or the other are by definition stupid. ”

    Oh ! so now its experimental ?
    I thought you had all the answers ? (what a jerk)

    J said
    that it’s hard to pin strong results down.

    yea , especially when its being experimented on ! DUH !

    J said;
    ideologically driven calls to go all one way or the other are by definition stupid. ”

    I never said anything about all one way or the other.
    The fact is that I said we should teach the kids english upon entry to our sytem.
    That is not idealogical, its practical in an english speaking country.

    Would you be the authority on what is stupid or not ?

    J said;
    “My butt actually lost an IQ point from wiping with it.”

    Now your butt has no IQ points!

    Remember jersey, just because your head comes to point.
    It doesnt mean you’re sharp.

    I dont forget the original issues. As much as you like to dodge and bob and weave and lie and change your answers you are still wrong.

    If you choose I will establish this and go back to the top of list with you and start with your original statements, which I have already scrapped once.
    You have no clear concise answer to suppoort any of your claims or prove me inaccurate or wrong.
    just opinion and attitude and name calling.

  27. Jersey McJones said,

    Man, you write a lot!

    “…he is VERY WEALTHY !”

    Okay, so we’re talking millions, right? Because otherwise, there’s no tax to speak of, beside that from whatever state he resides.

    The death tax does not exist. Unfortunately, the federal government imposes a direct estate tax instead of direct inheritance taxes, but that is mostly negated in the codes. If you have a stake here, you really should probably look up the personal implications.

    “Oh ! so now its experimental ?”

    Yes. All the big curricula changes of the past generation or so are still experimental. Our Founders imagined a large country with regionalized priorities that would experiment with civic activity. Life is a constant experiment, not something you figured out on the day that you were born, Micky.

    “I never said anything about all one way or the other.”

    Now now, Micky. You made it perfectly clear that you wanted a federal mandate to teach all English in the schools. Care to say otherwise? Kids DO, OF COURSE, learn English in school. That is an everyday, every year, part of the universal, standard curricula.

    “Now your butt has no IQ points!”

    Oh yeeeeaaaahhhh!

    JMJ

  28. micky2 said,

    Your a liar and a fraud.

    First of all my dad in laws income is none of your business, or the state I live in having to do with the fact that the death tax has establisged reality in the fact that if you walk up to your CPA and say I need to file a death tax claim ,he will give you one of the forms put out by the title of DEATH TAX . Please refer to the govt. documents that call it exactly that it ! AS presented to you above.

    YOU SAID;
    Yes. All the big curricula changes of the past generation or so are still experimental. Our Founders imagined a large country with regionalized priorities that would experiment with civic activity. Life is a constant experiment, not something you figured out on the day that you were born, Micky

    This also has nothing to do with anything we talked about, you’re a lousy liar and deceiver.
    When I moved to America I learned to speak english so I could study courses in english.
    No experiment was needed. Plain and simple
    Once again you missed the point and then change the whole point .
    you called the man a loon because he thought classes should be taught in english.
    How does that have anything to do with your ramblings ?

    You said;
    Now now, Micky. You made it perfectly clear that you wanted a federal mandate to teach all English in the schools. Care to say otherwise? ”

    Yea , heres your otherwise. I never ever said anything you claim I said. her I quoted myself and all statements I made on the subject

    You changed it to a position of state or fed application which made absolutley no sense whatsoever.
    “You never answerd on the schooling of kids in english so I can only assume that you have no data to back up your claim or reasoning.”

    We dont ignore other languages or teaching other languages, spanish, german, french, japanese, chinese are offerd in most public high schools, where have you been ?

    PLEASE YOU LIAR ! SHOW ME WHERE I SAID I WANTED A FEDERAL MANDATE !
    SHOW ME !

    So lets see.

    The gun issue, you lost simply because you assumed you knew what he meant.
    The tax issue you lost . Because Govt. documents call it exactly that , and I showed them to you.

    The english in school issue you blew because you lied about my words, and it boiled down to an experiment as opposed to you saying it was a looney thing to require english in our schools. You were just all over the placeo n that one.

    Watch your progression and how you bob and weave.

    #1
    Great. So if a kid doens’t know English – let him fall behind in every other subject! That’s just great. And hey, let’s just ignore all other languages! That’s working out
    really great in our utterly failed efforts in the Middle East!
    #2
    I never said that this loony said “let anyone fall behind” (regarding multi-lingual public education), but that is what would be accomplished if this loony had his way. While I do believe that gradual and integrated English immersion curricula is a good idea, I am convinced that a complete ban on teaching in alternate languages is counter-intuitive and counter-productive. Just plain stupid. And loony. And irony of ironies – completely counter to the precepts of local and state rights.
    #3
    Pure English immersion curricula is detrimental to the advancement of non-English speaking students in many subjects. Again, anyone who says otherwise, in my humble opinion, either isn’t all that bright, or has their priorities all screwed up.
    #4
    Schools are local and state concerns. That is the system we have. It’s really none of your business what L.A. does unless you live tere.

    #5The data is conflicting. There seemss to be a balance of immersion and separation that works pretty well in some cases. But there are so many experiments going on with these curricula, that it’s hard to pin strong results down. One thing is for certain though – ideologically driven calls to go all one way or the other are by definition stupid.

    So as you can see you are definatly not grounded on this issue.
    You lost that one too.

    All in all you havnt proved anything other than the fact that you have no facts or ammunition to convince the simplest of minds that you can prove your position is sustainable by any sense. Other than your feelings.

  29. Jersey McJones said,

    Micky, your spin is astounding. You must be Bill O’Lielly’s biggest fan. Absolutely amazing.

    JMJ

  30. micky2 said,

    Thats the second time you said “You must be Bill O’Lielly’s biggest fan”

    You need to get a better line, it’s just not funny.

    You must answer to your claims with something that shows you have a valid point.
    Excuses, personal feelings, opinions tell me nothing I havnt heard yet.

    You showed nothing convincing that Trower is a lunatic.
    You have not produced anything of any consequence at all.

    Untill you show something to back up what you call truth like I did with the death tax forms. You are the one spinning.

    You get to sleep on the wet spot. Good night

  31. Jersey McJones said,

    There’s no such a thing as a tax on death or on dead people. There only taxes on inheritable estates, and even then those rates are mitigated by the number of inheritors, how the inheritance is vested, etc. The “Death Tax” is an expression that was invented by the GOP in their efforts to cut taxes on their masters – the very elite, very filthy rich children of the very elite, very filthy rich. You’re just the “mark” – the target sucker to sell their sleazy plan. You are not only Bill O’Lielly’s biggest fan – but Paris Hilton’s as well. Kinda sad.

    JMJ

  32. micky2 said,

    Look jersey, you keep making yourself look like a moron, because I never said you could tax a dead person, or death.
    But some assinine reason you keep saying that when it is not the issue.
    This is not a game of semantics.
    The taxes on inheritable estates are called death taxes. And I have showed you the goverment and IRS documents calling it that exactly at the letter heads and document titles. It is a tax on inheritable estates of the deceased READ!
    You can say it does not exist till you’re blue in the face, it doesnt matter, it exist in the terminology and the title as a practical execution of process.

    Global warming exist , but some call it climate change , which also exists. I call it weather. Either way, all three exist.
    Just because you hate the GOP and you say they coined the term is irrelevant.
    Our government uses it as a term “LEGALLY” and as a FACTUAL description.

    So grow up and give up trying to impress upon anyone that myself or the US government or the IRS is saying you can tax dead people, you make yourself look like a child.
    We all know what everyone is talking about.
    Your word games are pitiful display of a weasel trying at one last attempt to appear like he had anything intelligent to say in the first place.
    Once again, you put your mouth out in front of your brain and are paying the consequences of that chronic disaster.

    You have nothing but your “SAY SO”

    I have given examples and actuall real documents that prove my claim, you have not. You think that by shoving it down our throats and saying it over and over makes it true ( runny mouth lib disease)
    You can click your heels all you want, you aint going no where.

    Now, untill you actually can show me proof that the term ” death tax” has been stricken from all usable forms for the public it exist in our world as that is what it is called by many CPAs and taxpayers.

    Go to the IRS website Jersey, this is what you’ll see.

    http://search.irs.gov/web/query.html?st=11&charset=utf-8&col=allirs&qs=-Wct%3A%22Internal+Revenue+Manual%22&qt=death+tax&cqp=&fcol=&chkbox0=0&chkbox1=0&chkbox2=0&chkbox3=0&chkbox4=0&chkbox5=0&chkbox6=0&chkbox7=0&chkbox8=0&chkbox9=0&chkbox10=0&chkbox11=0&chkbox12=0&chkbox13=0&chkbox14=0&ff=0&rq=-1

    You Searched for: death tax Summaries: Show | Hide

    20300 results found, top 500 displayed

    20,300 documents for filing DEATH TAX! ( but if it makes you feel better you can call it estate inheritance tax O.K?)

    Really , you hurt my feelings with the Paris remark, I think I’ll go kill myself , its as much as one man can take.
    Thats the cruelest thing anyone has ever said to me.

    If I were in front of you I would be laughing my ass off at your feeble attempt to humiliate me. You need better material. At least come up with an insult that can make someone (even me) smile a little.

    Oh, oh I know ! Guess what ? You’re Brittany Spears biggest fan !

    Ha ha, ho ho, hee hee

  33. Jersey McJones said,

    “The taxes on inheritable estates are called death taxes.”

    Only by sleazy GOP politicians and people fool enough to fall for their rhetoric.

    “You’re Brittany Spears biggest fan!”

    You really didn’t get the Paris Hlton joke, did you?

    http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/25/estate-18/

    “18 Families Bankroll Estate Tax Repeal Campaign
    The 10-year effort to repeal the estate tax (aka the Paris Hilton Tax) on heirs of the super wealthy has been financed and coordinated by just 18 families, according to a new report by Public Citizen and United for a Fair Economy.

    The families include “the candy magnate Mars family, Waltons of Wal-Mart fame, Kochs of Koch Industries and Dorrance family of the Campbell’s Soup Co.” Together, they are worth a total of $185.5 billion. The estate tax repeal would “collectively net them a windfall of $71.6 billion.”

    Bending to the will of these families, House and Senate conservatives are proposing to permanently repeal the estate tax — or seek a “compromise” that is nearly as bad — even though such a move would cost over three quarters of a trillion dollars in the next decade. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) has promised a vote on repeal in May.

    Meanwhile, a new poll finds that 57 percent favor reforming or leaving alone the estate tax; only 23 percent back repealing it. And for good reason: Americans are about four times as likely to be hit by lightning than to have to pay estate taxes on small businesses or farms.”

    It’s amazing that 23% of Americans could be so easily fooled. But hey, just look at the invasion of Iraq! A lot more American’s were fooled by that tragic nonsense. I really have to move to Canada one of these days. I’m just not stupid enough to be here.

    JMJ

  34. micky2 said,

    So ?
    Whats your point /
    And I got the paris joke as stupid as it was, I know she is an example of estate inheritence, the world knows

    You can say whatever you want,
    The term is even used on the floor of congress

    Iraq ?
    Has nothing to do with your ignorance.

    More facts as opposed to just your mouth.
    Here ya go

    By Default, Mugging Taxpayers
    [Heritage Foundation/Washington Post, April 11, 2007] The budget resolution moving through Congress could give the death tax a new life.

    Killing the Death Tax
    [NCPA Brief Analysis #574, October 9, 2006] The estate tax generates little revenue for the federal government; it is estimated that the estate tax costs the private sector one dollar to comply for every dollar in revenue. This means that the true cost of the estate tax to the economy this year is at least $56 billion.

    A Congressman’s Work is Never Done
    [National Taxpayers Union, September 13, 2006] With campaigning already well underway, the House and especially the Senate will need to cram in estate tax bills, if they want to avoid the “Do Nothing” moniker.

    Death Tax Strategy
    [American Conservative Union Foundation, July 2006] The recent cloture vote in the Senate on HR 8 (permanent repeal of the death tax) held on June 8th was close – 57 of the required 60 votes – but no cigar. (yup, its still here) ( ” do nothing ” moniker still applies)

    Death Tax Wrap-Up
    [American Conservative Union, June 28, 2006] A wrap-up of the preceedings involving the Permanent Estate Tax Relief Act.

    You can call it whatever you want Jersey, but you cant say it doesnt exist by any title.

    When you say Bill Oleilly, you are calling him by a name that gives reference to a real live living person who we all know exist, but some choose to call him Bill O’Reilly.
    Or you could call him the #1 talk show host in America, but some in your circle would disagree and at the same time and call him O’Leilly.

    Paying it or getting hit by lightening does not make your point , it makes my point LIGHTENING EXISTS!!!

  35. micky2 said,

    J said;
    ” I really have to move to Canada one of these days. I’m just not stupid enough to be here..

    Well first of all , you’re still here.
    If you moved to Canada it would be the most patriotic thing you could do.

  36. Jersey McJones said,

    Micky, you just proved my point. “Death Tax” is a sleazy rightwing derogitory for the estate tax.

    Bill O’Lielly’s popularity proves only one things – Americans aren’t that bright.

    The most patriotic thing any citizen can do, aside from voting, is to question and critique, not to blindly follow.

    JMJ

  37. micky2 said,

    Yea but your not just any citizen.

    the point was proven by you, in your lightening analogy.

    How O’Reilly popularity stands is not the ussue, it was used as a comparison/analogy.

    You already proved in the last debate that they are only bright when they see anything your way.

    Then you should run for office.

    You said;
    “Death Tax” is a sleazy rightwing derogitory for the estate tax.

    Yea but it still exists. ( In govt and IRS documents and in the halls of congress)
    If you read the forms you get from the IRS, this is what they call it. DEATH TAX

    Its just a name , but the process is to tax the inheritance from a dead person AKA, death tax. And titled so on at least 20,000 legal documents.

    And if one person gets hit by lightening, it exists.
    And if one person is taxed on an inheritence and used any one of the 20,000 forms that addresses the action by title of death tax, it exists.

    The a- holes on the left choose to call our enemy “freedom fighters”
    But they still exist, and they fight for their brand of freedom.

  38. micky2 said,

    I’ll make an attempt here and put this silly competition aside.

    Let me explain something to you.

    Its not so much what you say, although what you say does piss me off alot.
    Its the way you say it.

    To have an opinion is only human and no one should really have to explain or justify it.
    But when it is shoved down someones throat as fact and the final word , you make yourself look less than convincing.
    Nothing in life is ever “just because you say so”
    It must have credibility in at least one faction to be a respected point , request ,fact,suggestion or belief.
    Not even the brightest men in our time have been able to get away with “because I said so”
    They have to show something besides their word to convince us of their claims or they are simply cast aside as seer sayers or philosophers with nothing to prove the reason for their philosophy but opinion.

    I realize that the term death tax is just another name for an inheritence tax.
    But the form of taxation exists, no matter what you call it.

    Tomatoe — Toemaato — Tamayter, they exist

    You can go to the store and ask for it by one of those three names and you will still get the same thing.

  39. Jersey McJones said,

    Micky, there is no such a thing as a Death Tax. Just because some people choose to call it that, doesn’t make it so. You can not pay taxes when you’re dead. There is no tax on death itself. You can not take your wealth with you when you die. The tax is on inheritable estates that are very, very large. That’s all. So you – and those sleazes in the GOP – can play sematic, rhetorical games with it all you like, but it doesn’t change reality: THERE IS NO SUCH A THING AS A DEATH TAX.

    JMJ

  40. micky2 said,

    God you are a moron !
    I tried to be nice and meet you half way. But instead you prevail in the universe of ignorance.

    Nobody is saying you can tax dead people ! Not trying do and never did !

    J said;
    but it doesn’t change reality: THERE IS NO SUCH A THING AS A DEATH TAX.

    I love it when the moonbats(or anyone for that matter) try to cram what they call “REALITY” down our throats.
    Oooo, Ooo its reality cuz I said so. And if you dont believe me your stupid, cuz I said so.
    We must face other peoples warped sense of events taken place to establish realty.
    Pathetic.

    Just because you can not accept the fact that when you walk into H&R Block or the halls of congress or the IRS and ask about or mention “DEATH TAX” people know what you are talking about.
    DOES NOT MAKE IT A REALITY !
    What is reality is that you choose to ignore the title because the right uses it, thats your reality.

    Read below ! o great wise one ! There are at least 20,000 documents regarding taxation of dead peoples estates to the taxation of the benfeciaries of those who are dead !

    706-CE (Rev. February 2006) Certificate of Payment of Foreign Death Tax OMB No. 1545-0260 Cat. No. 10149C Department of the Treasury Internal Revenue Service For Paperwork Reduction Act Notice, see the back of this form. 
    Address of the Internal Revenue Service (see instructions for addresses for resident or nonresident U.S. citizens).
    Decedent’s first name and middle initial
    Decedent’s last name
    Social security number

    Chapter 19
    State Death Tax Considerations
    TYPES OF STATE DEATH TAXES Gift Tax
    The Federal estate tax liability may be readily
    deferred at the death of the first spouse by proper
    estate planning; however, State death taxes must still
    be considered. Three types of death taxes are levied
    by individual States. They are inheritance, estate, and
    piggy-back taxes.
    Inheritance Tax
    An inheritance tax is a levy on the right to receive
    property by individual heirs or legatees. The share
    value received by each individual beneficiary forms
    the basis for this tax. Currently, 18 States levy an
    inheritance tax (see table 19.1).
    Estate Tax
    An estate tax is a levy on the right to transfer
    property by the decedent’s estate. Presently, the
    Federal government and four States levy an estate tax,
    five fewer States than in 1980 (see table 19.1).
    Piggy-back Tax
    A so-called “piggy-back tax” is equal to the State
    death tax credit allowable as a deduction against
    the Federal estate tax (see appendix, page 134). The
    piggy-back tax is now the most prevalent form of
    State death tax and is levied currently in 28 States (see
    table 19.1). A piggy-back levy does not result in any
    additional tax burden, but merely apportions the total
    tax burden between the Federal and State
    governments. In addition, Massachusetts is phasing
    in a piggy-back tax, which becomes effective in 1997.
    Pickup-Tax
    In the States that impose inheritance and estate
    taxes and the State death tax levy is less than the State
    death tax credit allowable as a Federal deduc-tion, this
    additional, so-called “pick-up tax” absorbs the
    difference. Currently, 21 States have a pick-up tax
    (see table 19.1).
    In addition to death taxes, six States also levy a gift
    tax (see table 19.1). Most of these States have
    incorporated the Federal gift tax provisions and, thus,
    tax gifts above the $10,000 annual gift tax exemp-tion
    per donee.

    Death Tax Provisions
    Although there are only three basic forms of State…

    I have proven beyond any doubt that there is such a thing and it goes by the title “DEATH TAX” sometimes it goes by the title “ESTATE INHERITENCE TAX”

    I have shown govt and IRS forms that call it DEATH TAX.

    Now you must show me that they dont exist, or your point is one only of insanity.

  41. micky2 said,

    .Just to point out your insanity, look how many times you tried to imply I was saying you could tax dead people

    #1
    ” Dead people can’t pay taxes, or do anything else other than decompose.
    #2
    There’s no such thing as a death tax, Micky. You can’t tax death

    #3
    Dead people can’t pay taxes. Maybe vampires and undead do. Why don’t you ask a few tonight?
    #4
    There’s no such a thing as a tax on death or on dead people
    #5
    You can not pay taxes when you’re dead. There is no tax on death itself.

    Now…
    Can you show me anywhere where I said such a thing was taking place or possible ?

    Oh and by the way , Greg !
    We have proof and results of terrorism being a threat, while you are scared of something that hasnt even happened yet.
    Has gerbal warming affected our nations security one iota as much as terrorism ?
    Not! I didnt think so. ( I found the report)
    Part of it was put forth by Peter Schwartz, who just hosted a special on CNN questioning if Al Gore really deserved the Nobel Peace Prize.
    He mentioned the questions but did nothing to confront or answer them.

    This crap has already gotten as far as the mainstream media shoving it down our throats.
    CNN has done a special for the last couple of days called “Planet in Peril”.
    I knew ahead of time it was going to piss me off but I watched it anyway out of some sort of defense mechanism.
    Only to become very offensive 5 minutes into it.
    The base for the first series was to question the 9 inconsistencies that were brought up in Al Gores movie.
    These guys at CNN did mention these questions but never really answerd or approached them with any contradiction. As a matter of fact they brought in a moonbat scientist by the name of Peter Schwartz.
    All this chicken little pawn did was validate Gores movie even more. And the host (whatever the hell his name was)
    didnt even challenge Peter on any of his statements which were supposed to explain why Gores efforts deserved him the Nobel peace prize. Question being”whats peace got to do with it?”
    This Olive green jacket wearing snob went on to say that Al deserved the prize because when for example when Haitis deforestation gets out of hand the US will suffer a flood of refugees, along with the Dominican republic which will result in violent rejections of the refugees. Really?
    Peter goes on to say with definition and conviction that there “WILL” be more hurricanes this year in the Carribean and as a result Haiti and the Dominican republic will suffer humanitarian disasters, resulting in violence when people start fighting for food and water.
    Since Al Gore is putting a stop to this, he gets the prize.
    What a bunch of feces
    Thats like saying if I give the kids in my neigborhood candy they wont break into each others house and steal candy.
    So I get a trophy from McGruff for preventing crime.
    When none of these kids wanted any candy in the first place.
    This jerk Peter even went on to say that climate change does not happen gradually over a period of 100 to 200 years , it happens in no time. WHAT?
    Havnt these moonbats been saying that by the year 2040 or so florida and NY are going to be submerged and that over a period of time storms will get worse ?
    Even J-ro at the Seminal asked me if I wanted to wager on the issue 15 years from now.
    All of a sudden now its going to happen right away ?
    And then they start on the reefs.
    They mention that there are some scientist who say its not gerbal warming causing this deterioration of the reefs.
    And then they go into a lengthy scientific explanation of how gerbal warming “could” be causing it. The major emphasis being on gerbal warming as a cause and not emphasising at all what might really be the cause.
    Any person without a mind of his own would walk away from this seemingly unobjective presentation being more convinced that the sky is falling rather than asking himself some of the hard questions.
    Al Gore has not saved one life yet with this movie or his movement. And yet he gets a Nobel prize as if he already prevented some global catastrophe.
    He has not prevented a war, he has not conquerd a disease or united anyone or country at odds on the edge of a confrontation.
    CNN presents this program as if to question Als worthiness of the prize. But in between the lines is actually giving it to him one more time.

    Commissioned by esteemed Department of Defense planner Andrew Marshall, the report paints a scenario under which global warming could pose a threat to the world “greater than terrorism” — complete with mega-droughts, widespread famine, and rampant rioting. But while it has sounded alarms on Capitol Hill, it hasn’t provoked so much as a peep from the White House.

    As you can see Greg it say “PAINTS A SCENARIO” which means it is a prediction.
    Terrorism is alive and well, and has been.

  42. Jersey McJones said,

    Terrorism is a threat, Micky. There are taxes on Estates.

    Can we agree on those?

    JMJ

  43. micky2 said,

    Sure.
    Can we agree that those taxes are sometimes called death taxes in respectable forums and professional atmospheres ?
    I didnt really want to engage you on terrorism, that was for greg.

  44. Jersey McJones said,

    No. I think calling the estate tax a “death tax” is an underhanded way of framing the subject. I’m sorry.

    JMJ

  45. micky2 said,

    Oh I get it.
    The left can come up with all this poitically correct garbage. But you wont acknowledge the existance of legal documents that bear the title “DEATH TAX”
    Jersey, you can kick and scream all you want, But its plain as day for the world to see. So you go right ahead like a stubborn baby and hide under the covers

    Muslim extremist; The enemy.

    Radical Muslim; The enemy.

    Radical Islam; The enemy.

    Islamic extremist; The enemy.

    Suicide bombers; Why do these guys get a title that describes self ? I dont care if they took there own life. I dont care if they strapped that bomb to their ass or put in their trunk. They are” homicide” bombers. The homicide of the innocents should have a title deserving of what happened to them. Suicide should not be the issue at the front.

    Coerced interogation; Torture.

    Insurgents; Terroristic gang.

    Moderate Muslims; Muslims.

    Politically correct; Oxymoron.

    Phased Re-deployment; Pack it up with tail between legs.

    Comprehensive approach; Will never get done.

    Mexican Americans; Americans. {If you’re an American , lay claim to your citizenship first}

    African Americans; Americans

    White supremacist; White racist, Nothing supreme really, incestial hick idiots high on crank.

    Black separatist; Black racist, doesn’t play well with others.

    Skinhead; Foreskin.

    Inmates; Criminals.

    Oral contraceptive; Oral sex

    Global warming; Sunshine

    Climatic change; Weather

    Engineer; Guy that drives the train.

    Gay; Homosexual. They are not all happy.

    Liberal; Too much………………………. {of them}

    Conservative; Not enough……………{of them}

    Independant; Bi-polar.

    Libertarian; Rejected bi-polar liberal.

    Greenhouse effect; Atmosphere.

    Non binding arbitration; Masturbation.

    Non binding resolution; Silly string.

    Legislative spending initiative; Pork barrel spending.

    Pork barrel spending; Stealing.

    Special interest groups; Especially interesting groups, like Meerkats and Lemmings and moonbats.

    Feminist; Female Praying Mantis

    Bi-sexual; Hermaphrodite.

    Hearing impaired; Liberal.

    Happy holidays; Merry Christmas.

    Cost effective; Cheap.

    Eco friendly; Expensive.

    Carbon footprint; Garbage.

    Enviromentalist; Fear monger, Communist

  46. Jersey McJones said,

    Micky, people who believe in the “Death Tax” are considered low-brow fools in my a crowd. Jokes.

    And this latest list? Wow man. You have some serious issues. You’re not armed, are you?

    JMJ

  47. micky2 said,

    I got a case of red bull next to me.

    The list is an example of the low brow foolish terms the left ( your crowd)has indoctrinated into our society with my interpretation, thats all.
    I speak real english not this candy coated PC crap.

    “Legislative spending initiative; Pork barrel spending.”

    lets give Pelosi credit for this one. This is hillarious. Legislative spending initiative ?

    But you get upset because a tax that taxes dead peoples estates is called a death tax. ?
    I know as well as you that the only reason you dont like the term ” death tax” is because a conservative institutid it.
    It is on legal and govt and IRS forms in real physical form AKA> IT EXISTS.
    NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU OR YOUR GANG THINKS. THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE AND FACT IS THAT IT EXISTS ! WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!

    IT IS REAL IN VERBAL AND PHYSICAL FORM AS IN PRINTED GOVT. AND IRS FORMS.

    I would of just agreed that if Nancy Pelosi can disguise stealing as a ” legislative spending initiative” the right and anyone else should be able to use the term “death tax” without being called a loon.
    Unfortunatly I cannot come to this agreement as seeing that these terms actually exist on legal physical documentation.

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    ‘legislative spending initiative’
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    8:17 am
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    The measures under consideration look at planning and military contractors.

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    Putting summer recess behind them, the Senate and House begin to tackle domestic spending issues and the course of the war.

    Tags: budget, Congress, Democrats, Harry Reid, Iraq, Republicans, Washington

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    Its everywhere man ! I dont like it but its part of the landscape verbally and in legal print

  48. Jersey McJones said,

    “Legislative spending initiative; Pork barrel spending.”

    Oh please. 70% of the national debt ever accrued happened under the auspices of just three GOP preisents and half that time in cahoots with a GOP Hill – Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. It was a GOP majority Hill that ran up Pork Barrel spending like a drunken soldier for the past 6 years – not the Dems. They had record number Earmarks. So, please, get real.

    There’s no such a thing as a Death Tax. Just a tax on inheritable estates. That’s all. It’s the same tax you pay for gifts, or premortem estate transfers. You’re not taxing the dead person, you’re not taxing the gift giver, you’re not taxing the estate transferer – you’re taxing the recipient. Therefore, there is no Death Tax. Period.

    The rest of your post is non-partisan nonsense. Congresses all do the same stuff. At least this congress is FINALLY doing a little oversight!

    JMJ

  49. micky2 said,

    Hey look ! You can say anything you want, but you look like a fool because the terminology and forms exist. LEGALLY AND FOR PUBLIC USE !

    Printed and distributed by our government and the IRS.

    THAT! is the fact here, not your opnion.
    Your opinion does not trump physical 3 dimensional reality.

    Like I said, you can bitch and moan and groan all you want and tell me a hundred times that you cant tax the dead.
    It wont change anything of the fact that it is there in legal print and forms prepared by the IRS and our government.
    Jersey said;
    this congress is FINALLY doing a little oversight!

    Your congress is the biggest joke and most unproductive congress in history with an approval rating of 11% ( these are facts, which you obviously hate, oh those pesky little facts)

    HERE ! DO SOME REAL INVESTIGATING ! OVERSIGHT ? Is this oversight ?
    its more like ignored and over looked.
    You probably cant stand to see what a categorical failure this congress is, so you probably would kill yourself if you read it and absorbrd the truth for once since I’ve known you.

    Broken Promise: “On the eve of last November’s elections, then-minority leader Pelosi promised that Democrats would implement all the 9/11 commission recommendations in their first day in office. But it leaves out key provisions of that prestigious panel that were considered and rejected in the GOP-controlled Congress: It does not take up panel recommendations to declassify the top line of the intelligence budget; It would not shift covert paramilitary operations from the Central Intelligence Agency to the Defense Department; It skirts the lead recommendation of the 9/11 commission for members of Congress: to dramatically reduce the number of committees that claim oversight over homeland security.” – “Pelosi Plan to Swiftly Enact Recommendations of 9/11 Commission Short on Specifics,” Congressional Quarterly, November 6, 2006

    Broken Promise: “But the [9/11 bill] package will not include a reorganization of congressional oversight of the Homeland Security Department or an attempt to declassify the intelligence budget, despite the fact that those, too, were key recommendations. Although Democrats pledged during the election to implement all of the commission’s unfulfilled recommendations, aides now concede that doing so will be harder than they thought.” – “Dems Drop Some 9/11 Panel Proposals From Agenda,” CongressDaily AM, December 15, 2006

    DEMOCRATIC PROMISE #32: Pass Clean Spending Bills Without Iraq Policy Changes
    Promise: “House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee ranking member John Murtha, D-Pa., told reporters last week that he would not use the spending bill to enact policy on Iraq — a war he strongly opposes.” –“Dems To Reorder Defense Priorities, But Not Slash Budgets,” Congress Daily PM, October 27, 2006

    Broken Promise: An editorial in the Arkansas Democrat Gazette accused Democrats of using the supplemental spending bill to author “resolutions that would severely restrict supplies and reinforcements” for American troops in harm’s way, and would “tie the president’s hands by imposing all kinds of conditions on his ability to reinforce the troops.” – Arkansas Democrat Gazette Editorial, February 21, 2006. CNN’s John Roberts questioned Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) about his “slow bleed” scheme to undermine our generals and our troops on the ground (“American Morning,” CNN, April 24, 2007):

    JOHN ROBERTS: You heard what President Bush said, that Congress shouldn’t be micromanaging the war. What do you say?

    REP. JOHN MURTHA: That’s our job, John. TALK ABOUT DELUSIONAL !

    On the upcoming Department of Defense spending bill, it’s clear House Democrats and Rep. Murtha do intend to attach the latest version of his “slow bleed” scheme to undermine our troops: “House Democratic leaders are considering votes next month on another legislative package aimed at changing course in Iraq, and might announce those plans this week, aides said Monday. … The Iraq language would be attached to the Defense appropriations bill.” –“Dems Weighing Next Attempt To Change Course In Iraq War,” Congress Daily PM, June 26, 2007

    DEMOCRATIC PROMISE #33: Protect U.S. Ports
    Promise: “Immediately implement the recommendations of the independent, bipartisan 9/11 Commission including securing national borders, ports airports and mass transit systems.” – Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) “A New Direction for America,” Page 5

    Broken Promise: According to the 9/11 Commission, “The small terrorist travel intelligence collection and analysis program currently in place [the anti-terror ATS-P terrorist screening program] has produced disproportionately useful results. It should be expanded.” But during consideration of the Homeland Security authorization bill in May, 160 House Democrats voted against a Republican proposal to give the Homeland Security Department the authority to continue utilizing the anti-terror ATS-P terrorist screening program. – Roll Call Vote #317, May 9, 2007

    DEMOCRATIC PROMISE #34: “A New Strategy to Win the War on Terror”
    Promise: “A New Strategy to Win the War on Terror. . .We need to use all the tools of American power to make our country safe.” – The Plan, Rahm Emanuel & Bruce Reed, page 56

    Broken Promise: “[House Democrats on the Armed Services Committee are] banishing the global war on terror from the 2008 defense budget. This is not because the war has been won, lost or even called off, but because the committee’s Democratic leadership doesn’t like the phrase.” – Military Times, “No More GWOT, House Committee Decrees,” April 4, 2007

    Broken Promise: “Democrats have banned the phrase ‘global war on terror’ from the draft Pentagon budget, arguing that it is a propagandist term. . .” – The Daily Telegraph, “Democrats Put End to Global War on Terror,” April 10, 2007

    DEMOCRATIC PROMISE #35: Support U.S. Troops in Harm’s Way
    Promise: “Democrats will never cut off funding for our troops when they are in harm’s way…” – Interview with Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), ABC News’ Diane Sawyer, January 19, 2007

    Promise: “But we will always be there to protect our troops and to support our troops.” – Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), CBS’s Face the Nation, January 7, 2007

    Broken Promise: “Cutting funding, Katie, is seen as a very unpopular thing, even among a number of Democrats who think it could be construed as not supporting the troops. So Murtha’s proposal is a way to get at the same goal without holding a vote to cut funding.” – CBS Evening News Correspondent Sharyl Atkisson, February 15, 2007

    Broken Promise: “After months of denying that they were about to cut off funding for the troops or impose a rigid timeline for withdrawal from Iraq, the Democrats in Congress are about to do just that.” – “The Defeatist Democrats,” New York Sun Editorial, March 9, 2007

    DEMOCRATIC PROMISE #36: Fund Key Intelligence Programs
    Promise: “We all, Democrats and Republicans alike, take very seriously our responsibility to protect the American people. We know the important role that intelligence plays in that.” – Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Press Conference, January 8, 2007

    Promise: “This bill contains robust funding for critical intelligence programs …” – House Intelligence Committee Chairman Sylvestre Reyes (D-TX), Floor Remarks, May 10, 2007

    Broken Promise: Democrats pledged to provide full funding for critical intelligence programs – but just months after taking power, they took precious resources away from critical intelligence programs and used the money to fund research on global warming instead. “Led by U.S. Rep. Sylvestre Reyes of Texas, a coalition of D.C. Democrats say national security will be better served if CIA cash is used for global warming research – because apparently there just aren’t enough people studying the issue out there.” – “‘Intelligence’ Committee Threatens National Security,” Detroit News Editorial, May 13, 2007

    Broken Promise: “One defeated amendment, offered by the Intelligence Committee’s top Republican, Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, would have deleted a requirement that the intelligence community produce a report on the national security ramifications of climate change. Democrats and Republicans fought bitterly over the requirement, with Republicans alleging that an assessment of global warming’s implications for national security would be a waste of intelligence resources ….” – “House Passes Intelligence Measure,” Congressional Quarterly, May 11, 2007

    DEMOCRATIC PROMISE #37: Increase Human Intelligence
    Promise: “To defeat terrorists and stop the spread of weapons of mass destruction, we will…increase our human intelligence capabilities.” – Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) “A New Direction for America,” Page 5

    Broken Promise: In May, just months after taking power, House Democrats approved cuts to classified human intelligence programs to combat radical Islamists – then voted en masse against a Republican motion that would have increased funding for human intelligence programs by $23 million by shifting funds away from an illegitimate earmark requested by senior Democratic Rep. John Murtha (D-PA). – Roll Call Vote #340, May 11, 2007

    DEMOCRATIC PROMISE #38: Reclaim American Leadership
    Promise: “Reclaim American leadership with a tough, smart plan to transform failed Bush Administration policies in Iraq, the Middle East and around the world.” – Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) “A New Direction for America,” Page 1

    Broken Promise: “It [Democrats’ plan] is an initial step by newly empowered congressional Democrats to completely undermine the war by limiting funds – to deny the troops the beans and bullets they need to win, and to broadcast to America’s enemies in the Middle East and around the world that the United States has lost the will to protect itself, and its friends.” – “Dems’ Disgrace,” New York Post Editorial, February 17, 2007

    DEMOCRATIC PROMISE #39: Renew Strategic Alliances
    Promise: “…renew longstanding alliances that have advanced our national security objectives.” – Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) “A New Direction for America,” Page 5

    Broken Promise: Instead of renewing alliances with countries that support our national security objectives, Democratic leaders have reached out to nations that sponsor terrorism, over the objections of the U.S. Department of State. “House Speaker Nancy Pelosi apparently is willing to meet with Syrian President Bashar Assad – even though Syria has supported terrorist organizations Hamas and Hezbollah and allowed terrorists to cross the Syrian border with Iraq to attack U.S. troops… – “Pelosi’s Syriana,” San Francisco Chronicle Editorial, April 12, 2007

    DEMOCRATIC PROMISE #40: Defend Human Rights
    Promise: “…lead international efforts to uphold and defend human rights.” – Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) “A New Direction for America,” Page 5

    Broken Promise: Despite promises to uphold and defend human rights abroad, Democratic leaders have been largely silent on such issues, most notably during Speaker Pelosi’s widely criticized trip to Syria. “Pelosi and the Dems should begin crafting a new vision for the region by tying American aid and military support to substantial and publicly declared steps toward democracy and respect for human rights – not only in Iraq, but in Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan. And not more trips like Pelosi’s junket to Syria without loud public demands for human rights reforms. – “Pelosi’s Petty Politics,” New York Daily News Editorial, May 27, 2007

    DEMOCRATIC PROMISE #41: Strengthen Intelligence Oversight
    Promise: On naming Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-TX) the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee: “Congressman Silvestre Reyes has impeccable national security credentials.” – Speaker-Elect Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Press Release, December 1, 2006

    Broken Promise: “Six-term Texas Democrat Sylvestre Reyes, the incoming chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, revealed to Congressional Quarterly Friday that he does not know whether al-Qaida is Sunni or Shiite Muslim (answer: Sunni). Reyes also could not say what Hezbollah is (answer: the Lebanon-based militia behind the 1983 Beirut bombing that killed more than 200 U.S. Marines).” – “Intel 101,” Press-Enterprise (Riverside, CA) Editorial, December 13, 2006

    DEMOCRATIC PROMISE #42: Promote “Smart & Tough” Security
    Promise: “Democrats are committed to protecting our country with real security initiatives that are smart and tough.” – Then-Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) Press Release, October 25, 2006

    Broken Promise: House Democrats brought legislation to the House floor supporting the transfer of responsibility for a critical national security program to the United Nations, and then 230 Democrats voted against a GOP motion-to-recommit which would have would have prohibited this transfer of responsibility and made clear that America’s national security is the responsibility of America alone. – Roll Call Vote #14, January 4, 2007

    DEMOCRATIC PROMISE #43: Protect U.S. Borders
    Promise: “I believe there is virtually unanimous agreement in the Congress that we must secure our borders and know who is entering our country.” – Then-House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, Press Release, May 25, 2006

    Promise: “Democrats are for the rule of law, we want to get border security right. . .We would do what’s necessary to protect our borders …” – Then-House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, Press Release, December 15, 2005

    Broken Promise: Just six months after Democrats took power in the House, 214 House Democrats voted against a Republican proposal to “provide the funds necessary for the construction of at least two layers of reinforced fencing, the installation of additional physical barrier, roads, lighting, cameras, and sensors pursuant to section 102(b)(1) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigration Responsibility Act of 1986…” – GOP Motion to Recommit on H.R. 2638, Roll Call Vote #490, June 15, 2007

    Broken Promise: 218 Democrats voted against an amendment by Rep. John Carter (R-TX) to strike new bureaucratic hurdles in the Homeland Security Appropriations bill designed to undermine the Department’s efforts to complete the construction of the fence along the border. As Brit Hume said recently on Fox News: “House Democrats added more than a dozen new rules the administration must meet before it can spend more money on the border fence.” – Special report with Brit Hume, Fox News, June 18, 2007

    DEMOCRATIC PROMISE #44: Allow Fair & Open Debate on Iraq
    Promise: “In perhaps the biggest break from the current practices of GOP leaders, Pelosi said she would be willing to lose votes on the floor.” – “Pelosi: Bipartisanship Gets Major Role If Democrats Regain Control of House,” CongressDaily AM, May 18, 2006

    Broken Promise: Just weeks after taking power – faced with the possibility that a Republican resolution on Iraq could pass with some Democratic support – House Democratic leaders showed they are not willing to lose votes on the floor, by shutting out the GOP and refusing to allow Republicans to offer its alternative measure. “After more than a week of discussion over how – and whether – to allow the Republican minority to raise its alternative to a resolution condemning President Bush’s proposed troop increase in Iraq, House Democratic leaders opted Monday night to prevent the GOP from offering its own measure.” – “GOP Boxed Out on Iraq; Democrats Change Debate Plan,” Headline, Roll Call, February 13, 2007

    DEMOCRATIC PROMISE #45: Make America Safer
    Promise: “Today we begin our first 100 hours, our policy package. We will begin by making America safer…” – Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), National Public Radio, January 9, 2007

    Broken Promise: “Congressional Democrats voted to cut funds for a Europe-based missile defense system …” – “Dems Look to Halt Missile Defense,” Centre Daily Times, June 7, 2007

    DEMOCRATIC PROMISE #46: Destroy Al Qaeda Networks
    Promise: “[Democrats want to]…destroy terrorist networks like al Qaeda…” – Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) “A New Direction for America,” Page 5

    Broken Promise: During their first six months in power, Democratic leaders tried repeatedly to stop U.S. forces from engaging in military operations against al Qaeda in Iraq, even contradicting statements made by America’s generals in the field concerning the nature of the enemy. Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) called it disingenuous to “claim that the fight in Iraq is primarily against Al Qaeda.” – Press Statement, April 25, 2007. General David Petraeus, however, said “a number of Sunni Arab tribes” in Iraq were joining “the fight against Al Qaeda, saying ‘No more, they’ve had it’ and linking arms with the coalition to take on Al Qaeda in one city after another…” – General David Petraeus, Press Conference, April 25, 2007

    DEMOCRATIC PROMISE #47: Send Additional Troops to Iraq
    Promise: In December, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Silvestre Reyes stated, “We have to consider the need for additional troops to be in Iraq, to take out the militias and stabilize Iraq … I would say 20,000 to 30,000 – for the specific purpose of making sure those militias are dismantled, working in concert with the Iraqi military.” – “We Can’t Afford to Leave,” Newsweek, December 5, 2007

    Broken Promise: “All of a sudden, Reyes disagrees with Bush, which is to say, with his own original position. ‘We don’t have the capability to escalate even to this minimum level,’ he explained. He went on to accuse Bush of pushing the same old Iraq policy, even though, again, Bush’s policy is identical to the one Reyes himself had been advocating just weeks before.” – Tucker Carlson, MSNBC, January 19, 2007

    DEMOCRATIC PROMISE #48: Allow Vote on Alternative Iraq Resolution
    Promise: On NBC’s ‘Meet the Press’ (February 11, 2007), House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) promised to give Republicans a vote on an alternative to the Democrats’ bill designed to choke off funding for troops in harm’s way:

    REP. BOEHNER: If you are not going to cut off troops — cut off the funding for the troops in harm’s way, why not allow Republicans to bring a resolution to the floor and let the House vote up or down on the resolution?

    REP. HOYER: That’s a good question and you are going to have that opportunity.

    REP. BOEHNER: When?

    REP. HOYER: Initially the first thing we are going to do —

    REP. BOEHNER: When?

    REP. HOYER: Within the next 35, 40 days.

    Broken Promise: To date, Democratic leaders have refused to allow a vote on the Republican resolution offered by Rep. Sam Johnson (R-TX) supporting America’s troops in harm’s way.

  50. micky2 said,

    You cant win Jersey, Wanna know why ?

    Because I deal in facts and you just mouth, mouth, mouth.

  51. micky2 said,

    This is where I bust you wide open on your hypocrisy.
    First you brag about how good Murtha is at bringing home the pork
    and then you act as if its a sin when the right does it.
    The same thing happened when I debated you on the majority issue.
    The majority were Einstiens when they saw things your way and idiots when they didnt. Would you like me to pull up that conversation and blast you with some more “PESKY LITTLE FACTS?”
    Below is documented proof in your own words of this hypocrisy you live by.

    Post #6 Jersey said;
    Russell doesn’t stand a chance in ‘08. Murtha brings home the pork, and he’s right about the war and most Americans agree with him.

    Post #10 Jersey said;
    * Murtha does have ethics and law issues – no doubt about it. All I was initially saying was that this particular loony can’t beat him right now. Murtha’s been raking in the pork.”

    Jersey then said;
    “Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. It was a GOP majority Hill that ran up Pork Barrel spending like a drunken soldier for the past 6 years – not the Dems.”

    So…
    Murtha is a champion and the conservatives are drunken sailors /

    You are a lost cause when you obviously cant keep your opinions on one track

  52. Jersey McJones said,

    Micky, you have way too much time on your hands.

    Look, I never said the Dems were perfect, never said they had a majority big enough to do everything they want (hence the low ratings), and never said pork was a good thing. But these are just facts of life. he who brings home the pork wins the elections. It’s Pat Moynahans old saying – all politics is local.

    You have no facts. Just partisan silliness.

    JMJ

  53. micky2 said,

    Facts jersey !

    They are those things that enter the plain of being clearly understood by the majority.
    The majority of the polls show your congress as the worst in our countrys history.

    Oh! But I forgot ! The majority are idiots when it doesnt suit you !

    What a whimpy pathetic answer;
    “Look, I never said the Dems were perfect, never said they had a majority big enough to do everything they want (hence the low ratings), and never said pork was a good thing. ”

    You never said they were perfect (thats a dodge) you just bragged about how Murtha was so great because he brings home the pork and how at least this congress has oversight.
    A pidgeon has oversight Jersey.

    You said;
    “never said they had a majority big enough to do everything they want ”

    Who said that you said that ?
    Besides that , right after they took over the hill they promised 6 things in 6 months and put out zilch in 6 months except for the lowest rating any congress has ever had.

    As far as time on my hands goes, trust me . I have plenty of time to slap you all over this virtual room.
    Every issue I send you down in flames and then you change the subject.
    Shredding you is better than any dope I ever did.
    Plesae dont move to Canada, please, I hope nothing ever happens to you because you never cease to give me pure pleasure.
    I live to make you look like a fool, its easy and its fun.

    As you would say ;
    Oh yeeeeaaaahhhh!

  54. Jersey McJones said,

    Micky, I promise you will never pay taxes again after you die.

    I never “bragged” about Murtha. I simply pointed out his political advantage.

    I never said you said the “never said they had a majority big enough to do everything they want .”

    The house passed everything they wanted and you know it. The Senate is the problem and the President is the axis on which that problem pivets.

    You should live for something better. But also, you should know the difference between real enemies and philsophical opponents. Perhaps then we can actually debates the issues instead of the tangental rhetoric.

    JMJ

  55. micky2 said,

    “Micky, I promise you will never pay taxes again after you die.”

    Oh ! My ! God !
    He said it again !
    This is the ultimate display of bufooneree !
    Nobody ever , ever, ever said dead people pay taxes, especially me.
    But for some retarded reason you keep saying it.
    Its called a death tax because it taxes inheritence from the deceased people who left it for whoever.
    I understand quite well the function and purpose ( wealth redistribution) of the death tax.
    You cant win ! Its there and I have shown it to you repeatedly in realistic concrete legal 3 d form.
    The death tax is allowed on our legal documents as a title for IRS forms, and last time I checked it wasnt up to you to give legal govt, documents their title.

    You said;
    “The house passed everything they wanted and you know it. The Senate is the problem and the President is the axis on which that problem pivets.’

    Thats a BS statement that has nothing to do with your congress being the crappiest in our countrys history, dont change the subject, it doesnt work with me.
    Your bunch voted these loosers into office and now you have to claean their diapers with excuses like its Bushs fault ( how unimaginative and predictable is that ?)

    Accepting responasbility is the lefts biggest nemesis, oh, its the senate, its the president. BS you elected a bunch of idiots ! And failures (I have proof above in post #49)
    Read it Jersey ! But like I said you probably dont have the cajones to do that.
    Actual transcripts taken from congress is as good as it gets.

    You said;
    ” You should live for something better. But also, you should know the difference between real enemies and philsophical opponents. Perhaps then we can actually debates the issues instead of the tangental rhetoric.”

    My life is my choice, dont bother yourself with my choices, and you are the last person in the world I would ever take advice from. ( one of the last)
    And so you think you can come out looking like a winner by attacking my choice of actions or enemies ?
    Thats as pathetic as anything you have ever said.

    We have debated for two days now and your last line of defense is say its rhetoric, a tangent and that I have philosophical enemies.
    Is that the best you can do to prove my positions and statements wrong ?
    We have debated the issues, and once again ( about the 20th time) I have kicked your hide all over creation with facts , examples , proof and documents, quotes right of the floors of congress and legal forms printed by the govt.

    You have presented NOTHING ! but your opinion and bla, bla, bla.
    You just dont get it do you ?
    Do some research ! Hunt ! Dig !
    Show me what you got !
    Your opinion and mouth dont say or prove anything !

    Untill you are willing to do the work and research to prove your position and point you will ALWAYS look like a fool.

  56. Jersey McJones said,

    There is such thing as a Death Tax.

    JMJ

  57. Jersey McJones said,

    Hey! I typed NO! (Well maybe I made a typo – but still – you get the point.)

    JMJ

  58. micky2 said,

    Whoa ! there they are again !
    Those pesky little facts.

    27 Sept 07
    Instruction 706-NA (Rev. October 2006)
    Instructions for Form 706-NA, United States Estate (and Generation-Skipping Transfer) Tax Return (Estate of nonresident not a citizen of the U.S.)
    … States at the • The state death tax credit has been time of … credit has been time of death. For purposes of this repealed … is preferable the date of death value of the For information …

    27 Sept 07
    Instructions for Form 706 (9/2007)
    … Line 3b. State Death Tax Deduction … Schedule P—Credit for Foreign Death Taxes … claim the credits for foreign death taxes or tax on prior transfers, …

    27 Sept 07
    Instructions for Form 706 (9/2007)
    … Estate (and Generation-Skipping Transfer) Tax Return … Line 3b. State Death Tax Deduction … Schedule P—Credit for Foreign Death Taxes …

    27 Sept 07
    Internal Revenue Bulletin – August 22, 2005 – Rev. Proc. 2005-55
    … Federal Estate Taxes and State Death Taxes, of the Sample Trust … for income, estate, and gift tax purposes, respectively, if the other … inconsistent with the applicable federal tax requirements), or that omits any …

    27 Sept 07
    Internal Revenue Bulletin – August 22, 2005 – Rev. Proc. 2005-55
    … Federal Estate Taxes and State Death Taxes, of the Sample Trust … for income, estate, and gift tax purposes, respectively, if the other … inconsistent with the applicable federal tax requirements), or that omits any …

    27 Sept 07
    Internal Revenue Bulletin – August 22, 2005 – Rev. Proc. 2005-54
    … Federal Estate Taxes and State Death Taxes, of the Sample Trust … for income, estate, and gift tax purposes, respectively, if the other … inconsistent with the applicable federal tax requirements), or that omits any …

    27 Sept 07
    Internal Revenue Bulletin – August 4, 2003 – Rev. Proc. 2003-56
    … Federal Estate Taxes and State Death Taxes, of the Sample Trust … for income, estate, and gift tax purposes, respectively, if the other … inconsistent with the applicable federal tax requirements), or that omits any …

    27 Sept 07
    Internal Revenue Bulletin – August 4, 2003 – Rev. Proc. 2003-55
    … Federal Estate Taxes and State Death Taxes, of the Sample Trust … for income, estate, and gift tax purposes, respectively, if the other … inconsistent with the applicable federal tax requirements), or that omits any …

  59. micky2 said,

  60. micky2 said,

    Give up !
    You lost ! I have the goods !
    You only have your mouth.

  61. micky2 said,

    Go to the link , I dare you

  62. micky2 said,

    For those of you that have been reading this ridiculous exchange for the last couple of days I think its time I made it clear what my intentions were.
    William Trower Russell is a good, decent and honest man. I did some research on him at the very beggining of this thread. I see no reason why he couldnt fill the office he seeks other my assumption that he just hasnt gained enough support yet.
    He was called a lunatic,a pro war lunatic and a pandering lunatic with no good reason other than the fact that the person doing the name calling has rarely if ever produced any fact or proof or example of anything he says to back his claims, accusations or positions.
    His mouth is like girls gone wild, flash and awe. But the bimbo really is of no substance or consequence in the end.
    Its this kind of speech and careless rhetoric that is screwing up our country. It offers to bridge no gaps in understanding or communication. It only creates anger and distrust on both sides.
    When I run into these characters I give them hell on a venomous level that they will never forget, only with the hope that the next time they speak they will at least have the decency and esteem to be able to back up their claims and accusations or implications with relevant facts or reasons to give credibility to what they are saying.

  63. Jersey McJones said,

    That the IRS has been using such sleazy language under this sleazy administration is no surprise to me. The IRS has been seriously undermined by the thieves guild known as the GOP. But the FACT remains – there is no such a thing as a “Death Tax.” Obviously, nothing I can say will change your mind about this, so you just go ahead make yourself look foolish around educated people and support the Paris Hilton’s of the world. Who knows? Maybe one day she’ll give you oral sex for your support. Yeah for you.

    JMJ

  64. micky2 said,

  65. micky2 said,

    The first paragraph in the above post is my statement and not a quote from jersey.
    It should read as follows;

    Sorry for the break, had some business.
    And then there was this evil cruel nasty uncalled for statement below just like the one you see above refering to me and Paris Hilton

    Oct 31 2007
    Jersey McJones said;
    “Like using that whole “Duh, me and my family was in da Pentagon when the plane struck, duh!” Sl-ea-zy.”

    I said;
    “This is where you should get your head slapped right across the room.
    And if I were standing in front of you I would do it.
    Its uncalled for and just plain freeking evil and cruel.

    If you think I didnt like you before, you aint seen nothing yet.”

    No man should be mocked and belittled because his grief is being put to good use.
    Even if you disagree with his positions.

    As you can see below Jersey McJones wrote this comment in respone to Black Tygrrrs trip across the country on 911 in a jet and the country that still grieves over that horrific day. Jersey calls it “hysteria”
    911 is my motivating factor in my blogs. I do not blog for fun, Jersey has said he blogs for fun.
    Making fun of people and demeaning their grief and motivation is fun for this character

    Sept 10 2007, Jersey said;
    “”I wrote about 9/11 last year. I reposted it on my blog today. I’d put it here, but you don’t like profanity on your blog, so I’ll respect that. Let’s just say that I’m really sick of all this 9/11 hysteria.””

    I have taken the liberty for anyone reading to get a glimpse of a character who In my opinion is one of countrys worst enemies. Below is the link to the 911 post he really didnt want you all to see. He said because it had profanity in it he would not post it on this blog out of respect for the author.
    But he will display this pile of insensetive inhumane crap on his own blog for the world to see.
    And as you can see editing out profanity is not difficult at all. I think he knew he would of gotten his ass handed to him if he brought that garbage here.

    http://jerseymcjones.blogspot.com/2007_09_09_archive.html

    Tuesday, September 11, 2007
    Post 9/11, My Ass.
    (I wrote this last year, but since then NOTHING CHANGED, so it’s apropos today…)

    That’s it. I’m sick and *******’ tired of all this Post-9/11 BULL****. The world did not change on 9/11 – the Earth continues to orbit the Sun, people still **** out their asses, and Rush Limbaugh is still a scumbag. NOTHING CHANGED.

    I remember, as a kid I day-dreamed about what the world would be like IN THE YEAR 2000 (you have to sing it they way they used to on Conan O’Brien). Well, it finally came and went, and you know what? It was a ******’ disappointment. Cars don’t fly, there’s no space-base on Mars, and Prime Time TV still completely sucks. NOTHING CHANGED.

    People have been killing each other since there have been people. Bugs do it, plants do it, fish do it, microbes do it, everything does it. Even stars and planets and meteors kill each other. All Terran life forms kill each other. We are not Divine Images of God – we’re just ******’ animals like the rest of ‘em. It’s been going on forever. NOTHING CHANGED.

    Well Jersey, maybe nothing changed for you which has probably been par for the course since you were born.
    But it changed for everyone else, whether you like it or not.
    I mourn the loss of my little sister to heart disease every Sept 9 for 42 years now.
    It is loss not yours.
    So how dare you mock and put down a countrys loss any more than you would just one person!

    I will continue to rail you every chance I get simply because you are a dispicable human being and the perfect picture of whats wrong with this country.

    And by the way.
    I think “HATE CRIME” is a ridiclous term for ordinary crime, but it exist on the books legally.
    Just as the “DEATH TAX ” exist on our books legally.
    I have the evidence to prove it and have shown it to you at least three times now with links to the IRS, and even shown you the forms.
    You are just being a foolish childish ass when you will not accept what is clearly in front of you.

    Jersey said;
    That the IRS has been using such sleazy language under this sleazy administration is no surprise to me.

    As anyone can see , he admitts that its a part of the system, but like an invalid doesnt like the title because it was coined by a conservative and then placed in print as bonified point of reference on over 20,000 legal IRS documents
    But why would you be expected to accept that when you cant even accept peoples feelings with respect ?

    And by the way, he never had the courage to tell me what all the legal IRS documents I presented to him said on the title head or the inner references.

  66. micky2 said,

    Instructions for Form 706 (9/2007)
    … Line 3b. State Death Tax Deduction … Schedule P—Credit for Foreign Death Taxes … claim the credits for foreign death taxes or tax on prior transfers, …

    Hmmm. I could swear that the legal and printable document above gives instruction on how to file for “DEATH TAX”

    Jersey said;
    But the FACT remains – there is no such a thing as a “Death Tax.”

    Show me the facts ! Show me something, anything!
    Please give an example !

    As you can see folks, this charcter will lambast the country for grieving over something that is very real, just as much s he despises using a term coined by a republican. Because he refuses to repeat what is written in the document is only evidence that he knows he lost this debate.
    These are not fairy tales that I have dug up, these are the forms you can have printed out at home or pick up at the post office.
    Hence, the death tax exist in action, legal preference and options.

  67. Jersey McJones said,

    Man. Ya’ know, Micky? You’re like my Bizarro Psychiatrist.

    And Micky, you can’t prove a negative. You can’t prove that something that doesn’t exist doesn’t exist. That’s why you can’t prove there is no God, or prove there are no Spaghetti Monsters, and you can’t prove there is no Death Tax. You can’t prove non-existence. However, you can prove that you have no solid evidence to prove existence. Either you have it, or you don’t. You can’t just have talk about it, or semantic or colloquial association. It has to really exist. The Death Tax does not exist in any evidential, tangible form. There is no margin of taxation on the act of Death. But there are taxes on windfall, unearned income. And that’s what inherited estates are.

    These taxes have been around for longer than most other types, and were progressively adapted here over 100 years ago to avert the establishment of an American aristocracy. Sure enough, the Robber Barrons, et al, saw their political power somewhat diminish through the 20th century. It’s a wise form of taxation. The Lucky Rich are often not the best citizens, let alone apt for public influence. In America, where I live, we reward work over luck.

    JMJ

  68. micky2 said,

    Jersey said’
    Man. Ya’ know, Micky? You’re like my Bizarro Psychiatrist.

    Hey ! You should see a real shrink !

    Jersey said;
    The Death Tax does not exist in any evidential, tangible form.

    I present to you a document that says ” FORM ” on it, please read the form below that calls itself a “FORM”.
    You can also find these physical “TANGIBLE forms at your nearest post office.
    ———————————————————————————————————————
    Instructions for Form 706 (9/2007)
    … Line 3b. State Death Tax Deduction … Schedule P—Credit for Foreign Death Taxes … claim the credits for foreign death taxes or tax on prior transfers
    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Jersey said;
    “”There is no margin of taxation on the act of Death.””

    LOL !!!!!!! OH! MY ! GOD ! HE SAID IT AGAIN !!! LOL !!!

    This is the fourth time this character has told me that you cant tax death !!!

    Jersey the o so wise one , knower of all knowledge said this;
    “It’s a wise form of taxation. The Lucky Rich are often not the best citizens, let alone apt for public influence. In America, where I live, we reward work over luck.”

    DUH GEE O.K. If you say so jersey, uh, alright whatever you say.

    The lucky rich !!! It doesnt matter o great wise one ! That money 9 out of 10 times was produced by some guy who busted his ass his whole life ! So his kids and grandchildren could have a decent life !
    And all you selfish gimme gimme little entitlement minded lazy farts want is a hand out !

    If you tax one man who honestly earned his living as opposed to thievery you imply.
    It is called wealth redistribution.
    And that wealth is redistributed to the entitlement minded lazy morons who dont know how to make a buck. Thats all its for.
    But what amazes me is that you dont say that you think its a wise form of taxation , you say it is a wise form of taxation with authority and righteousness as if your word is gospel and truth.
    This is what separates the moonbats from real people. They at least have the respect and intelligence to make opinions clear as opinions and not fact just because they SAY SO.
    None of that is really here nor there. Because you show nothing tanginle to back up your claims, ever. Its just your mouthity mouth mouth.

    Jersey said;
    and you can’t prove there is no Death Tax.

    Yea, but I can prove there is one !
    So you see , you’re screwed by taking that stupid position and defending it with what pathetic means you can.

    I can do this all day Jersey and will slap the crap out of you all day with pleasure if for any reason just because I think you are the lowest form of human I have ever seen.
    Once again, read it and weep

    27 Sept 07
    Instruction 706-NA (Rev. October 2006)
    Instructions for Form 706-NA, United States Estate (and Generation-Skipping Transfer) Tax Return (Estate of nonresident not a citizen of the U.S.)
    … States at the • The state death tax credit has been time of … credit has been time of death. For purposes of this repealed … is preferable the date of death value of the For information …

    27 Sept 07
    Instructions for Form 706 (9/2007)
    … Line 3b. State Death Tax Deduction … Schedule P—Credit for Foreign Death Taxes … claim the credits for foreign death taxes or tax on prior transfers, …

    27 Sept 07
    Instructions for Form 706 (9/2007)
    … Estate (and Generation-Skipping Transfer) Tax Return … Line 3b. State Death Tax Deduction … Schedule P—Credit for Foreign Death Taxes …

    27 Sept 07
    Internal Revenue Bulletin – August 22, 2005 – Rev. Proc. 2005-55
    … Federal Estate Taxes and State Death Taxes, of the Sample Trust … for income, estate, and gift tax purposes, respectively, if the other … inconsistent with the applicable federal tax requirements), or that omits any …

    27 Sept 07
    Internal Revenue Bulletin – August 22, 2005 – Rev. Proc. 2005-55
    … Federal Estate Taxes and State Death Taxes, of the Sample Trust … for income, estate, and gift tax purposes, respectively, if the other … inconsistent with the applicable federal tax requirements), or that omits any …

    27 Sept 07
    Internal Revenue Bulletin – August 22, 2005 – Rev. Proc. 2005-54
    … Federal Estate Taxes and State Death Taxes, of the Sample Trust … for income, estate, and gift tax purposes, respectively, if the other … inconsistent with the applicable federal tax requirements), or that omits any …

    27 Sept 07
    Internal Revenue Bulletin – August 4, 2003 – Rev. Proc. 2003-56
    … Federal Estate Taxes and State Death Taxes, of the Sample Trust … for income, estate, and gift tax purposes, respectively, if the other … inconsistent with the applicable federal tax requirements), or that omits any …

    27 Sept 07
    Internal Revenue Bulletin – August 4, 2003 – Rev. Proc. 2003-55
    … Federal Estate Taxes and State Death Taxes, of the Sample Trust … for income, estate, and gift tax purposes, respectively, if the other … inconsistent with the applicable federal tax requirements), or that omits any …

    micky2 said,
    November 2, 2007 at 7:05 pm

    Heres your link to reality

    http://search.irs.gov/web/query.html?st=11&charset=utf-8&col=allirs&qs=-Wct%3A%22Internal+Revenue+Manual%22&qt=death+tax&cqp=&fcol=&chkbox0=0&chkbox1=0&chkbox2=0&chkbox3=0&ch

    Here ya go JERSEY !
    They even write books on how to apply death tax laws and complete the forms !
    Tax lawyers and lae students study death tax law !

    You can find it the library at Notre Dame !

    http://worldcat.org/wcpa/oclc/5370654?page=frame&url=http%3A%2F%2Finnopac.law.nd.edu%2Fsearch%2Fo5370654&title=University+of+Notre+Dame%2C+Law+School&linktype=opac&detail=XND%3AUniversity+of+Notre+Dame%2C+Law+School%3AAcademic

    Death taxes : completing the forms & computing the taxes, program material.
    by California Continuing Education of the Bar.
    Type: Book
    Language: English
    Publisher: Berkeley, Calif. : California Continuing Education of the Bar, 1979.
    OCLC: 5370654
    Related Subjects: Inheritance and transfer tax — California. | Inheritance and transfer tax — United States.
    Citations: Cite this Item | Export to EndNote | Export to RefWorks

  69. micky2 said,

    Here ya go again jersey

    http://hastings.house.gov/Read.aspx?ID=907

    The death tax has other harmful economic consequences. The existence of the tax forces small businesses to divert scarce resources away from business expansion and job creation in order to pay for expensive estate planning. According to the Internal Revenue Service, when the death tax was in full effect in 2001, the IRS collected $23.5 billion from the death tax. In 2005, after Congress dramatically reduced the rate and scope of the tax, the IRS still collected $21.7 billion. There is good reason to believe that eliminating the tax entirely would generate a boom in prosperity, and the taxes collected on more productive activities would sufficiently replace any revenue that was previously collected under the death tax.

  70. micky2 said,

    And another one for you jersey , right off the floors of congress

    Senate Floor Statement of Senator Sessions
    SENATOR SESSIONS ON THE DEATH TAX REPEAL PERMANENCY ACT OF 2005

    Thursday, June 8, 2006

    Mr. SESSIONS. Madam President, I thank the Senator from Texas. Earlier this year, 26 Senators signed a letter that I produced asking Senator FRIST, the majority leader, to bring up this bill. He has worked hard to find the time, and here we are.
    I recall, and I will set the record straight, that the death tax is eliminated already in the year 2010. It goes to zero. But the next year, the exemption is $1 million and the rate is 55 percent, a confiscatory rate.

    The American heritage is one of savings and frugality and a belief in the right to own private property and leave that property to whomever people choose on their death. That is why overwhelmingly people who are not impacted by the death tax believe it is wrong and say in poll after poll it should be eliminated.

    The cost of collecting this tax exceeds what it brings in to the Government coffers. That is the definition of a bad tax–the very definition of it. A good tax is one that is simple and fair and low cost to collect. This one is exactly the opposite, causing all kinds of gymnastics to avoid it.

    Finally, and importantly, it savages growing closely held businesses. I think about one man I met traveling in Alabama. He and his sons own three motels. He met with me and told me they were paying $80,000 a year for a life insurance policy because when that father dies, it will take that much life insurance, $7,000 a month, to pay the death tax.

    They are competing with the big guys–Howard Johnson’s, Holiday Inn, Marriott–trying to really get up there, but every month they are paying $7,000 that could be used to pay down the mortgage on their motels and build a competitive business. That is why this tax is adversely impacting our country. It is against savings, it is against frugality.

    I received a call from Robert Johnson this week, head of Black Entertainment Television. He is competing with CBS, NBC, Fox, and ABC. He is trying to do well. He has a family-held business. If something happens to him, he said there is no other African American who can buy this business. It is going to be bought up by some conglomerate.

    I ask my colleagues to remember that CBS, ABC, FOX, and NBC never pay a death tax. Holiday Inn never pays a death tax. It is the small, closely held businesses that are expanding, have no cash for investing in their next new motel who compete with the big guys who have to suck out that money.

    Those who want to keep estate tax claim repealing it will cost the Government too much money.

    I would like to discuss this issue in some detail. They point to two Government reports–one by the Joint Committee on Taxation, or JCT, and one by the Congressional Budget Office, or CBO. Both these reports assert that repealing the death tax will reduce Government revenues by approximately $280 billion from 2011 to 2015. However, simply put, these cost estimates are not realistic.

    Before discussing why, it is important to note that the JCT does not generally share the specifics of their revenue estimates, describe their methodology, or reveal their assumptions to the general public or Members of Congress. We thus must speculate exactly how JCT arrives at their revenue projections. Of course, if the JCT is so confident in the quality of their estimates, one must ask why they are reluctant to reveal their methods and assumptions.

    There are many reasons to believe that revenue loss estimates by JCT and CBO regarding repeal of death tax are on the “high side.” First, as Joint Economic Committee points out, JCT has estimated that the total revenue loss from death tax repeal would actually exceed revenue the tax raises. This is a curious notion, to say the least. At the time of JCT’s analysis, estate tax was expected to raise $218 billion from 2011 to 2015–the 5-years after the death tax returns to its 55 percent top rate. However, JCT estimates that over that same period of time, repeal would lose $281 billion in revenue. In other words, revenue lost from estate tax repeal would equal 129 percent of the actual revenue the tax is supposed to raise. A similar pattern exists for CBO estimate where revenue lost from repeal equals 120 percent of the actual revenue it is estimated to raise. This pattern–present in both estimates–certainly begins to raise questions about these scores.

    Second, passing the bill before us would eliminate the stepped-up basis rule. What is the stepped-up basis rule? Current law allows inherited assets to be valued at their current market value at the time of decedent’s death. The heirs get a stepped-up basis rather than having as a basis the original purchase price. No capital gains tax is therefore applied to any increase in the value of that asset. This reduces capital gains tax collections significantly. For example, if an heir were to inherit a house valued at $250,000 that was originally purchased by her father for

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    $100,000, the daughter would pay no capital gains tax on the $150,000 increase in the value of that home. The bill we are debating today would effectively change this to require that a capital gains tax be paid on the full increase in the asset price from the time it was originally purchased. As the Wall Street Journal pointed out this week, the JCT has calculated that changing how inherited assets are treated in terms of capital gains tax law would raise $50 billion to $60 billion a year. Most important, this $50 to $60 billion exceeds the amount of revenue the estate tax raises annually, which has only accounted for 1 percent to 2 percent of all Federal receipts over the years. In other words, the estate tax has not traditionally been a major source of revenue for the Federal Government and elimination of the stepped-up basis rule should more than cover any loss of revenue from eliminating this tax.

    A 2005 study from one econometrics firm–CONSAD Research Corporation–backs up this analysis. In particular, they found that the revenue impact of permanent repeal coupled with a limited stepped-up basis rule for the calculation of estates’ capital gains realizations would actually yield a small net gain in revenues through 2014.

    Third, JCT and CBO scores ignore fact that existence of estate tax itself helps reduce income tax collections. For example, the estate tax encourages widespread tax avoidance, given its high top tax rate, which would return to 55 percent if we do not pass this bill. To avoid paying the estate tax, parents in high-income brackets often shift resources to their children in lower tax brackets, lowering income tax receipts. Similarly, income tax revenue is lost when transfers are made to tax-exempt groups, such as charities and family trusts.

    Existence of estate tax also reduces income tax collections by reducing the amount of capital in the economy. Joint Economic Committee estimates that the estate tax has resulted in $847 billion less in savings and capital investment in the United States over the long run–in other words, investment in such assets as office buildings, retirement accounts, houses, factory equipment and so forth. Similarly, recent studies have shown that the estate tax encourages consumption rather than savings and wealth accumulation, shrinking the size of taxable estates.

    In addition, according to Heritage Foundation economists, the estate tax costs our economy between 170,000 and 250,000 productive jobs each year. These jobs are never created because the investments that would have financed them are not made, as these resources are diverted to pay the death tax itself or pay for complex trusts and insurance policies to avoid the tax. If these jobs were created, each of these 170,000 to 250,000 individuals would be paying income tax, lessening revenue loss from estate tax repeal.

    The estate tax also imposes an excessive compliance cost on taxpayers, again lowering income tax collections. Estate planning can be very complex, requiring the average family which engages in it to spend anywhere from $30,000 to $150,000 according to one study. It should be noted that twice the number of estates were required in 2004 to file all the death tax paperwork than actually paid the tax. Many of these filings require hiring lawyers and accountants at a significant cost to these estates. In fact, Alicia Munnell, a professor of finance at Boston College and a former member of President Clinton’s Council of Economic Advisers, has estimated that the costs of complying with estate tax laws are roughly the same as the revenue raised. In particular, she has written that “in the United States, resources spent on avoiding wealth transfer taxes are of the same general magnitude as the yield.” Similarly, she wrote in another article, “the compliance, or, more appropriately, the avoidance costs of the transfer tax system may well approach the revenue yields.” Put another way, for every dollar of tax revenue raised by the estate tax, Munnell estimates that another dollar is wasted simply to comply with or avoid the tax.

    Fourth, another reason it is safe to believe that the estimates we are discussing today are inaccurate is that, according to an analysis by the American Family Business Institute, the CBO underestimates economic growth in its analysis and thus tax revenues. Specifically, in scoring revenue loss with repeal, CBO assumes that over the next 10 years that real GDP growth will average 2.95 percent per year. This forecast is an underestimation of historical averages. Over the past 40 years, average growth in GDP is 3.20 percent; the 30-year average is 3.23 percent; the 20-year average is 3.11 percent; and the past 10-year average is 3.34 percent. If we assume a 0.1 percent per year increase in GDP growth above CBO baseline, which would keep GDP below any of the averages I just mentioned, the result is a revenue loss from repeal of only $87 billion over the next 10 years. In other words, revenue loss is more than 300 percent lower if we assume only a slightly higher growth in GDP, which is still lower than other recent 10-year GDP averages.

    Finally, past estimates by JCT and CBO have been wildly off base. JCT forecast that the capital gains tax reduction enacted in 2003 would “cost” $3 billion from fiscal years 2003 to 2005.

    What happened? The cut in capital gains tax rate raised revenue. In fact, tax receipts from capital gains tax are now expected to be $87 billion more than CBO originally predicted for years 2003 to 2006. Similarly, JCT estimated total revenue loss for the first year of the 2004 American JOBS Creation Act–a bill that provided several corporate tax cuts would be $4.5 billion. In reality, enactment of this law actually resulted in a revenue gain of $16 billion.

    Finally, Congress reduced the capital gains rate from 28 to 20 percent in 1997. JCT estimated at that time that such a reduction would result in a revenue loss of $21.2 billion over 10 years. However, over the first 4 years following this rate reduction alone, revenues from capital gains tax were $47.8 billion more than JCT estimates.

    Given all these problems with the JCT and CBO estimates, what are we to believe about the cost of repealing the death tax? Personally, I believe that even though the Federal Government may lose some revenue from eliminating the estate tax, that amount will be negligible, if the Government loses any money at all. Thus, the argument that we cannot afford to eliminate the death tax is a hollow one. Two-thirds of the American people support repeal of the death tax according to a recent survey.

    It is time to follow their wishes.

    The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator has used 3 minutes.

    Mr. SESSIONS. I thank the Chair and yield the floor.

  71. micky2 said,

    Everyone sure is talking about and printing legal documents about somethiong you say does not exist.

    Face it ! The only reason you’re putting up such a little hissy fit is because the right gave it a name and it took !!
    It took so well that thats what we call it now ! On legal and judicial documents everywhere !

  72. Jersey McJones said,

    There is no such a thing as a Death Tax. There is no tax on death. There is only taxes on the transaction of estates, gifts, and inheritances. Period.

    JMJ

  73. Jersey McJones said,

    Oh… “There are…” Excuse me.

    JMJ

  74. micky2 said,

    Oh Good God almighty !! He said it again.

    We all know by now that you cant tax dead people jersey.

    I would not ask you to prove a negative , but untill you can prove all my research and proof as flawed, you lose.
    You only have your word, which has turned out to be worthless.
    If you are half a man you will tell me what this legal IRS form says.

    ———————————————————————————————————————
    Instructions for Form 706 (9/2007)
    … Line 3b. State Death Tax Deduction … Schedule P—Credit for Foreign Death Taxes … claim the credits for foreign death taxes or tax on prior transfers
    ———————————————————————————————————————

  75. Jersey McJones said,

    Again, just because the sleazy GOP names certain taxes “Death Taxes” does not actually make the taxes “Death Taxes.” Try to differentiate rhetoric from reality, Micky. There is no such a thing as a Death Tax. There is no tax on death, no tax on dead people – therefore there is no death tax. Simple as that. Grow up and get over it.

    JMJ

  76. micky2 said,

    Read the form and tell me what it says the process is called “LEGALLY”

    And for the last time Curly , we are talking about a procedure and action, not an object such as a dead person.
    Reality is a peice of paper you get at the post office describing tha action you take.
    Go down there and ask them for form #706 and see what you get. Ask for a death tax form and you will get a choice of 20,000 forms referring to it. Go to your CPA and ask to file a death tax claim and he will begin by pulling out any one of these forms designed and printed by your government.
    Grow up and stop saying I am arguing oranges when you damn well what I’m talking about.It is apples.
    The only thing you could tax off a dead body would be tissue , bones and fluids, so drop it moron.
    I can do this all day long, you want to know why ? Because you went after a good man for no good reason.
    And because of that I will slap you around on this issue till your blue in the face.
    You do not reserve the right to say something does not exist just because it came out of his mouth. Especially when what came out ofs his mouth is a perfectly acceptable term that everyone knows what means. To the point that it has been put in books for study in law offices and schools, legal documents refering to it in congress , the IRS calls it that on legal tenders of transfer.
    You’re the only freekin person I’ve heard that wont use the term, like a baby, just cause you dont like the guy.
    I am sick of people like you, I see what you’re doing to everything around us, you bring down hope, you bring down moral, you offer no spirit and you lie about honest decent people. You errode the basic fabric of our country.
    I have nothing against leftys that are civil and can talk to an understanding.
    But you always ahead of time have the answers just because you say thay are the answers. And then you shove your opinions on people with contempt and slander and malignment for those who differ.
    I will ride your ass Jersey every corner you come around untill you get the message that folks like you will not be tolerated.
    I’ve been to your website and you are one of the nastiest people I’ve ever seen.
    You twist everything to such a level its predictable to the point where its just sheer hatred.
    You are an angry unthoughtful man with nothing to bring to the table but garbage
    and critsizm.
    Now , if you are half a man, tell me what the legall and tangible form below says.

    ———————————————————————————————————————
    Instructions for Form 706 (9/2007)
    … Line 3b. State Death Tax Deduction … Schedule P—Credit for Foreign Death Taxes … claim the credits for foreign death taxes or tax on prior transfers
    ———————————————————————————————————————

    27 Sept 07
    Instructions for Form 706 (9/2007)
    … Estate (and Generation-Skipping Transfer) Tax Return … Line 3b. State Death Tax Deduction … Schedule P—Credit for Foreign Death Taxes …

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    You can say it does not exist all you want my little man.
    But I left you holding the proof (numerous times)
    And while you stand there with it in your hands you will continue to throw a fit like a 5 year old a say it doesnt exist.
    Next thing you know you’ll try to tell me the moon is made out of cheese.
    Oh god, I shouldnt of said that

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