I understand why some conservative pols, pundits and icons dilike McCain.
James Dobson, of Focus on the Family, dislikes McCain because of McCain- Feingold. You see, Jesus is pro-soft money and last minute, sneaky, anonymous slander ads. McCain disrupted the flow of soft money into GOP coffers and tharwed political groups from endorsing or disparaging candidates without identifying themselves. James Dobson, and many like him, will never forgive McCain for that. To me that makes him a candidate for political sainthood!
Rush Limbaugh doesn’t like McCain because he is not an establishment Republican. He occasionally breaks from the party. McCain puts pragmatic realism ahaed of personal ideology. For ideologues like Limbaugh, this is blasphemy. It’s like being a Catholic but not believing in transsubstantiation. McCain is his own man, and like Eisenhower, Nixon, and Bush the First before him, he will not always toe the GOP line. What a breath of fresh air that would be!
I understand why establishment GOP leaders dislike McCain, but for the life of me I do not understand what problem some GOP voters have with him. As we can see, these voters are a minority in their own party. I wrote recently on my blog, “The neocons, Limbaughs, FOXes, NY Posts; their sycophants still adore them, but when it comes to picking candidates, they’ve turned a deaf ear. The rightwing media has assaulted McCain for years and years and yet he’s a sure bet for the nomination.” Most GOP voters like McCain and he will be a good nominee. His detractors are simply showing themselves as the political dinosaurs they are. It’s time to move on fronm the failures of the past and try something new, and one thing’s for certain - regardless of who wins in November, it won’t be anyone like Bush II.
“And I will write-in “Mickey Mouse” for the rest.”Mickey Mouse? Now this is a serious voter. If Mickey Mouse is in hell, then what? At least one guy besides me had a sense of humor.
“Dude!! Mickey Mouse is a big tax and spend liberal who wants free government cheese for everyone at taxpayers expense!”
Dimensia knows no boundries. Its amazing though what brings it in of certain groups.
I like McCain because hes the best hope we have of ensuring that we dont end up with a one state dem party.
Should either Dem candidate get into office along with the most useless congress ever.
Checks and balances as we know them will turn into checks being written with no balance to cover them
I wonder, Eric, if some of the posters are actually liberals from the dailykos site trying to stir the pot. It sure appears that way to me as their comments (aka childish rantings) are so similar.
Keep up the good fight, Eric! I am hoping you are right about Obama not winning the nomination. It will be easier for most Republicans to vote against Hillary.
I agree people have gone into hysterics over McCain, but I still am worried about his advisers and stances on some key issues. I will vote for him, but not necessarily without trepidation.
Anyway, I now think Obama might actually win, because he stands for CHANGE. And people want CHANGE.
I am speaking more and more to apolitical people who are going nuts over the guy. He has a real chance, do not underestimate him. Regardless, the only positive of him winning would be to look at the picture you promised to post. And a promise *is* a promise!
Tulip.
With all due respect a monkey stands for change.
He has yet to define exactly how he will implement these changes.
Which is why serious critics call him an empty suit.
If he has a chance it will be the anti war vote being put out by ignorant idealistic first time voters, also known as real young adults. Along with the American Idol mentallity that votes on sound and sights.
We also see alot of news and commetary saying he has ‘ Rock star” appeal.
Thats just plain scary. To think that we could end up with a president that is seen as a personality with only surface talents gives me shivers.
And then theres the countless morons that want elect a black president just to make a diversity statement showing how open minded we are to others and the rest of the world.
Hopefully the adults will get ahold of these people before they pull the lever.
Obama could actually win the nomination. Hillary is running low on cash if Obama can win a couple more tomorrow on top of that Washington state wipe-out, she’s going to be in deep doo doo. When Obama was only winning in states that the Dems would never win in November anyway, I figured he was done for. but if he can carry sopme big blue states, he’ll be hard to beat for the nom. In the nationals, though, I still think ubiquitous racism and misogyny are one hellacious glass ceiling for either Hilllary or Obama to break through.
One thing going against Obama is his relationship with his cousin and brother, both Islamic Extremists. How can Americans elect someone with relatives who state they are our sworn enemy? If McCain’s brother and cousin were Islamic extremists, I would NOT vote for him. I am hoping that when Americans discover this fact, it will change Obama’s status from rock star to falling star.
If Obama does become POTUS, I will sleep with one eye open.
“One thing going against Obama is his relationship with his cousin and brother, both Islamic Extremists.”
This is a faux-concern we can expect to hear from Obama’s detractors from here on. Of course, Barack has little to do with his family in Kenya, which is currently embroiled in a poltical/tribal crisis. He has said “what is best in me I owe to my her” - his mother. Obama’s ties to his Kenyan family are nominal at best. Yet his Kenyan father’s family makes a convenient bat to hit the man’s balls and continue the closet-Muslim myth. I think perhaps some of his conservative detractors are afraid of being painted as racists and so have to reach a bit to come up with reasons to condemn him because he has little record to critique. He has little reord period. Everyone I hear bring up the closet-Muslim thing I immediately turn off - I think, this guy’s a loony, just as Eric poignantly reminds us of some of McCains “conservative” detractors.
JMJ;
“Everyone I hear bring up the closet-Muslim thing I immediately turn off ”
Its not as much about being a closet or sleeper muslim as it is about wanting to know what kind of sympathies he will have towards muslims if we have to take action in Africa. Or how he will deal with where we are at now.
Turn your ear and compare this to the McCain detrators if you want.
That behavior is no different than the moonbats that want to diminish the threat of radical Islam.
He has a family connection to our enemies ! This is fact ! Not opinion or hopeful speculation.
“In 1991, when Obama joined the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, he pledged allegiance to something called the Black Value System, which is a code of non-Biblical ethics written by blacks, for blacks.
It encourages blacks to group together and separate from the larger American society by pooling their money, patronizing black-only businesses and backing black leaders. Such racial separatism is strangely at odds with the media’s portrayal of Obama as a uniter who reaches across races.”
“The candidate already has heeded his church’s “nonnegotiable commitment to Africa,” spending an inordinate amount of his campaign time on the Kenyan crisis, for one. Obama has close family ties to Kenya, and even founded a school in his ancestral village — the Senator Obama School.
In the bloody conflict there, which already has claimed some 700 lives, Obama appears to have sided with opposition leader Raila Odinga, head of the same Luo tribe to which Obama’s late Muslim father belonged.”
If a President Obama’s foreign and domestic policies are anything like the Afrocentric doctrine he’s pledged to uphold, Americans will pay a hefty price, including those among the growing black middle class.”
Right now the media has embraced Obama as their little honey and I dont think they want to blow this one out yet while the public is lapping up the promotion of their rock star.
Obama campaigned for Odinga in August of 2006, just before he filed with the US Federal Elections Commission for his presidential candidacy.
Odinga wanted to have the Luo tribe, mostly Muslims, take over Kenya from the inheritors of colonial power, the Kikuyu, and bring the country under Sharia law, kick out the Western investors in the nation that had made it one of the most stable nations in Africa, and supplant those Western investors with wealthy Arab oil money. It all failed.Then Odinga yelled election fraud, and put his Luo Islamofascists into the streets of Nairobi to “protest” by murdering, raping and maiming Kikuyu people, including the recent burning alive of a church full of Christians.
Whenever a candidate calls for “change”, or voters say they want “change”, it reminds me of my two infant grandchildren… When one wants change, one should expect a good bit of crap to go along with it… I prefer adjusting azimuths…
Like I said. Here it comes. Just imagine if this loony bunch went after the Bush family for their ties to the Bin Ladens! LOL!
Pl-ease. Guys, look, I won’t call you racists, and if I were you I wouldn’t care who called me otherwise. Let’s argue the man’s positions and not this silly, loony, paranoid, conspiracy-theory, comic-bookish nonsense. Please? At least for the sake of keeping this blog a little classier than most? Heck, that’s why I came here in the first place! This is the classiest conservative blog on the net! Let’s keep it that way!!!
Jersey, I agree that it is unfair to label BHO as a racist if he doesn’t have ties to the Trinity United Church of Christ. It is unfair to overemphasize his familial connections in Kenya unless they are proven. It is unfair to label him a racist as he focuses on being Black, unless he mentions somewhere that he’s also half white. I’d love to argue his positions, but he has done little but pander to poor, idealogical youth, and hopeful African Americans by promising to end the war, provide health care, and prmote education… by vacating the Middle East and taxing those who make over $200K. Those are his only “positions” thus far… besides bombing Pakistan and befriending Iran. Again, this is a simplistic answer.
Again, I agree that we should look more closely at sources to determine how much truth, if any, is tied to the different accusations. It is encouraging that you bring this to our attention, because you, too, have a tendency to confirm “truths” with, “because I said so”… That doesn’t make you wrong, and it doesn’t make me right…but it makes us both write…
Tygrrrr?
I’ll go out on a branch here and take an educated guess that Tygrrr will let you hold your own arguement.
If I may Mr. Mcjones.
Wasnt it you who spent two days trying to convince me that 911 was direct result of the Bush administrations existance ?
Jersey McJones said,
December 31, 2007 at 8:25 am
“Personally, Micky, I am quite convinced that Al Qaeda attacked us on 9/11 BECAUSE Bush and the GOP became the one party ruling majority.”
That would be the ultimate silly, loony, paranoid, conspiracy-theory, comic-bookish nonsense.
So while you are asking everyone to bring things up a notch you should realize that no one asked you to do the same when you said the above staement.
We are debating a realistic issue. And no one has made any direct accusations of anything yet.
We are asking questions as did Countryb on the previous thread.
countryb4party said,
February 11, 2008 at 2:15 pm
“Haven’t heard from the Obama camp yet. No big surprise. I hope I didn’t sound racist. I was referring to the fact that both Obama’s brother and cousin are Muslim extremists who want sharia law imposed on people in Kenya. It’s more of a national security issue.”
Please, if we are to be classy then we shouild first take into consideration that Bin Laden is not a blood relative to Bush as is Obama to his brother and cousin .
Huge difference my friend, HUGE.
Myself and a few other intelligent men would likre to know what the deal is with Obama and if his ties are serious enough to grant more concern.
Since Obama has not had to answer to any of this directly to Country4 or the MSM it only raises more concern.
Trust but verify.
Isn’t it amazing what some normally rational people become when they face something they have an irrational hatred for? The vitriol, the nonesense, the ridiculous, all adds up rather fast. I can understand, accept, and deal with rational disagreements. But some of this…*stuff*…is just so over the top, it’s almost humorous. Almost.
When others on this blog make what I believe to be outrageous, paranoid, delusional or hysterical remarks, I do my best to show that person where and why I believe they are wrong.
When they accuse me of the same but cannot return the favor it usually means that I have made my point and they cannot refute it. Or pride and arrogance have stood in their way of actually believing the evidence that warrants a subject getting its due attention.
In all my debating experiences this has firmly lead me to believe that the positions and fighting spirit on the right are far superior to that of the left.
Some out there thrive on the belief that our commander in chief is a mean, evil, and stupid man who at the same time is so smart he can pull of some of the most diabolical schemes in history. ( 911, Katrina, contracts)
But a presidential candidate who has present generation blood related terrorist family members does not deserve any attention?
So far we know a lot about Obamas general upbringing and recent past. We get the wife and children displayed to us in various forms every day. And the usual ” hope and change” speachs along with they hype propoganda that comes along with any campaign.
But when is this man going to start answering some serious questions ?
I want to know what his feelings are towards his kin in Africa as much as I want to know what his feelings are for his family here at home.
I want to hear more from him about his church and its pastor. I want to hear exactly “HOW” he is going to fullfill all his promises.
And most of all I want to hear how he will deal with the terrorist threat we face today.
If his position on Pakistan and Iran is any indication of the direction he will take while in office , God help us all.
I agree with you 1000%! I think this issue needs to be a headline everywhere, and you wrote an excellent post on this subject. I do worry about McCain’s stance on torture and I wonder if in fact it will lead to us being ineffective in the fight against Islamofascism.
These are all real concerns of mine…but the media seems to only be concerned with “CHANGE” and what is going on with Britney Spears.
Eric, I have read your post supporting McCain and here is my response:
John McCain was and is a war hero. He served his nation well in Vietnam and no one should try to diminish that or his experiences as captive. Yet being a war hero does not change major issues conservatives face with John McCain (and remember George McGovern was also a war hero) and the constant bashing of us from McCain’s supporters will do nothing but harden the ill feelings we harbor against a man that has constantly taken prides in giving us the finger. When conservatives needed McCain, he was on the other side of the issues. He believes people that support enforcing our immigration laws are racists, he is against our first amendment rights to political speech and freedom of association, he believes that the terrorists deserve constitutional protection regardless of where they are apprehended. These are just the major areas of disagreement. He has stated that he does not understand economics and that the economy is not a major area of his focus. He uses the rhetoric of class war-fare and the politics of envy in discussing taxes and drug companies. He was vocal in his support of John Kerry and Hillary Clinton, claiming both would be excellent Presidents. I just have yet seen a reason to support John McCain.
Arguments are made about the surge, well Rumsfeld had the most difficult job in America and the tasks given were Herculean, reforming an unwilling military while fighting a new type of war, all without Congressional support. Think about it, if McCain would have been a supporter instead of anti-Rumsfeld how much better it could have been for the troops, yet McCain did what many of the Democrats did, attack the administration while claiming support of the troops. It did not take a genius to see we needed a surge, but Congress did not want to support the limited number of troops, let alone the increase, everyone seems to forget that. And on judges, McCain was a large part of the problem with Executive appointments. He did not feel that the President gets to appoint his own people. As part of the gang of 14, he helped block many judges from appointments to post that are still not filled. Does he believe that when he is President he should not have the appointment power? I very well doubt it, this was just another way to hurt Bush (who I am not fond of myself) at the expense of the nominees and the country, not a good thing.
So lets return to the rally around McCain meme. I was willing to listen to the man believing he might say or do something to encourage Conservative support. He has done the opposite, letting advisors and staff pick fights with the right at the same time he continues to highlight his differences with the conservatives. I cannot support such a man, as he has done nothing to earn my support at this level. Again, I am speaking of his career as a Senator and not as a soldier. As a candidate he continues to harass the right as he demands our support, I just wish he would have supported us when we needed him. This does not mean a vote for the democrat necessarily, I do not vote for Marxists. Yet he uses their same class war-fare rhetoric!, I can see myself leaving the top of the ticket blank, while voting for GOP down ballot. Or if I do cast a ballot for McCain, it will be with bitter disgust at this election. Again, I would ask McCain and his supporters to think and tread carefully, stop antagonizing and attacking conservatives and earn our vote. A good VP pick could help.
I am a McCain supporter as well as a political blogger for him if anyone is interrested in signing up go to McCainVictory08.com. There was 8 of us to begin with when we started and now we are up to 80 I think.
Jackye Owe said,
February 11, 2008 at 10:56 am
Nice going Eric! I totally agree. Check out my blogs on this subject.
http://by_the_book.townhall.com/
Jersey McJones said,
February 11, 2008 at 11:16 am
I understand why some conservative pols, pundits and icons dilike McCain.
James Dobson, of Focus on the Family, dislikes McCain because of McCain- Feingold. You see, Jesus is pro-soft money and last minute, sneaky, anonymous slander ads. McCain disrupted the flow of soft money into GOP coffers and tharwed political groups from endorsing or disparaging candidates without identifying themselves. James Dobson, and many like him, will never forgive McCain for that. To me that makes him a candidate for political sainthood!
Rush Limbaugh doesn’t like McCain because he is not an establishment Republican. He occasionally breaks from the party. McCain puts pragmatic realism ahaed of personal ideology. For ideologues like Limbaugh, this is blasphemy. It’s like being a Catholic but not believing in transsubstantiation. McCain is his own man, and like Eisenhower, Nixon, and Bush the First before him, he will not always toe the GOP line. What a breath of fresh air that would be!
I understand why establishment GOP leaders dislike McCain, but for the life of me I do not understand what problem some GOP voters have with him. As we can see, these voters are a minority in their own party. I wrote recently on my blog, “The neocons, Limbaughs, FOXes, NY Posts; their sycophants still adore them, but when it comes to picking candidates, they’ve turned a deaf ear. The rightwing media has assaulted McCain for years and years and yet he’s a sure bet for the nomination.” Most GOP voters like McCain and he will be a good nominee. His detractors are simply showing themselves as the political dinosaurs they are. It’s time to move on fronm the failures of the past and try something new, and one thing’s for certain - regardless of who wins in November, it won’t be anyone like Bush II.
JMJ
Jersey McJones said,
February 11, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Wow, Tom Lantos just died. He was truly one of the greatest representatives in American history. God speed Congressman Lantos.
JMJ
micky2 said,
February 11, 2008 at 2:13 pm
“And I will write-in “Mickey Mouse” for the rest.”Mickey Mouse? Now this is a serious voter. If Mickey Mouse is in hell, then what? At least one guy besides me had a sense of humor.
“Dude!! Mickey Mouse is a big tax and spend liberal who wants free government cheese for everyone at taxpayers expense!”
Dimensia knows no boundries. Its amazing though what brings it in of certain groups.
I like McCain because hes the best hope we have of ensuring that we dont end up with a one state dem party.
Should either Dem candidate get into office along with the most useless congress ever.
Checks and balances as we know them will turn into checks being written with no balance to cover them
micky2 said,
February 11, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Oh ! And I forgot. In response to the Mickey mouse comments.
I’m thinking of going back to being called Michael.
countryb4party said,
February 11, 2008 at 2:31 pm
I wonder, Eric, if some of the posters are actually liberals from the dailykos site trying to stir the pot. It sure appears that way to me as their comments (aka childish rantings) are so similar.
Keep up the good fight, Eric! I am hoping you are right about Obama not winning the nomination. It will be easier for most Republicans to vote against Hillary.
Red Tulips said,
February 11, 2008 at 2:48 pm
I agree people have gone into hysterics over McCain, but I still am worried about his advisers and stances on some key issues. I will vote for him, but not necessarily without trepidation.
Anyway, I now think Obama might actually win, because he stands for CHANGE. And people want CHANGE.
http://cultureforall.blogspot.com/2008/02/ch-ch-changes.html
I am speaking more and more to apolitical people who are going nuts over the guy. He has a real chance, do not underestimate him. Regardless, the only positive of him winning would be to look at the picture you promised to post. And a promise *is* a promise!
micky2 said,
February 11, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Tulip.
With all due respect a monkey stands for change.
He has yet to define exactly how he will implement these changes.
Which is why serious critics call him an empty suit.
If he has a chance it will be the anti war vote being put out by ignorant idealistic first time voters, also known as real young adults. Along with the American Idol mentallity that votes on sound and sights.
We also see alot of news and commetary saying he has ‘ Rock star” appeal.
Thats just plain scary. To think that we could end up with a president that is seen as a personality with only surface talents gives me shivers.
And then theres the countless morons that want elect a black president just to make a diversity statement showing how open minded we are to others and the rest of the world.
Hopefully the adults will get ahold of these people before they pull the lever.
Jersey McJones said,
February 11, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Obama could actually win the nomination. Hillary is running low on cash if Obama can win a couple more tomorrow on top of that Washington state wipe-out, she’s going to be in deep doo doo. When Obama was only winning in states that the Dems would never win in November anyway, I figured he was done for. but if he can carry sopme big blue states, he’ll be hard to beat for the nom. In the nationals, though, I still think ubiquitous racism and misogyny are one hellacious glass ceiling for either Hilllary or Obama to break through.
JMJ
countryb4party said,
February 11, 2008 at 3:59 pm
One thing going against Obama is his relationship with his cousin and brother, both Islamic Extremists. How can Americans elect someone with relatives who state they are our sworn enemy? If McCain’s brother and cousin were Islamic extremists, I would NOT vote for him. I am hoping that when Americans discover this fact, it will change Obama’s status from rock star to falling star.
If Obama does become POTUS, I will sleep with one eye open.
Jersey McJones said,
February 11, 2008 at 4:21 pm
“One thing going against Obama is his relationship with his cousin and brother, both Islamic Extremists.”
This is a faux-concern we can expect to hear from Obama’s detractors from here on. Of course, Barack has little to do with his family in Kenya, which is currently embroiled in a poltical/tribal crisis. He has said “what is best in me I owe to my her” - his mother. Obama’s ties to his Kenyan family are nominal at best. Yet his Kenyan father’s family makes a convenient bat to hit the man’s balls and continue the closet-Muslim myth. I think perhaps some of his conservative detractors are afraid of being painted as racists and so have to reach a bit to come up with reasons to condemn him because he has little record to critique. He has little reord period. Everyone I hear bring up the closet-Muslim thing I immediately turn off - I think, this guy’s a loony, just as Eric poignantly reminds us of some of McCains “conservative” detractors.
JMJ
micky2 said,
February 11, 2008 at 4:38 pm
JMJ;
“Everyone I hear bring up the closet-Muslim thing I immediately turn off ”
Its not as much about being a closet or sleeper muslim as it is about wanting to know what kind of sympathies he will have towards muslims if we have to take action in Africa. Or how he will deal with where we are at now.
Turn your ear and compare this to the McCain detrators if you want.
That behavior is no different than the moonbats that want to diminish the threat of radical Islam.
He has a family connection to our enemies ! This is fact ! Not opinion or hopeful speculation.
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?status=article&id=285292746454291&secid=1501
“Yet Obama interrupted his New Hampshire campaigning to speak by phone with Odinga, who claims to be his cousin. He did not speak with Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki.
Would Obama put African tribal or family interests ahead of U.S. interests? (continue reading at Investors Business Daily)”
“In 1991, when Obama joined the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, he pledged allegiance to something called the Black Value System, which is a code of non-Biblical ethics written by blacks, for blacks.
It encourages blacks to group together and separate from the larger American society by pooling their money, patronizing black-only businesses and backing black leaders. Such racial separatism is strangely at odds with the media’s portrayal of Obama as a uniter who reaches across races.”
“The candidate already has heeded his church’s “nonnegotiable commitment to Africa,” spending an inordinate amount of his campaign time on the Kenyan crisis, for one. Obama has close family ties to Kenya, and even founded a school in his ancestral village — the Senator Obama School.
In the bloody conflict there, which already has claimed some 700 lives, Obama appears to have sided with opposition leader Raila Odinga, head of the same Luo tribe to which Obama’s late Muslim father belonged.”
If a President Obama’s foreign and domestic policies are anything like the Afrocentric doctrine he’s pledged to uphold, Americans will pay a hefty price, including those among the growing black middle class.”
Right now the media has embraced Obama as their little honey and I dont think they want to blow this one out yet while the public is lapping up the promotion of their rock star.
countryb4party said,
February 11, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Obama campaigned for Odinga in August of 2006, just before he filed with the US Federal Elections Commission for his presidential candidacy.
Odinga wanted to have the Luo tribe, mostly Muslims, take over Kenya from the inheritors of colonial power, the Kikuyu, and bring the country under Sharia law, kick out the Western investors in the nation that had made it one of the most stable nations in Africa, and supplant those Western investors with wealthy Arab oil money. It all failed.Then Odinga yelled election fraud, and put his Luo Islamofascists into the streets of Nairobi to “protest” by murdering, raping and maiming Kikuyu people, including the recent burning alive of a church full of Christians.
Both Odinga and Obama’s brother have ties to AQ.
You don’t have a problem with this? I do.
Eagle6 said,
February 11, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Whenever a candidate calls for “change”, or voters say they want “change”, it reminds me of my two infant grandchildren… When one wants change, one should expect a good bit of crap to go along with it… I prefer adjusting azimuths…
micky2 said,
February 11, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Eagle, does that mean you just aim their butts away from you ?
Jersey McJones said,
February 11, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Like I said. Here it comes. Just imagine if this loony bunch went after the Bush family for their ties to the Bin Ladens! LOL!
Pl-ease. Guys, look, I won’t call you racists, and if I were you I wouldn’t care who called me otherwise. Let’s argue the man’s positions and not this silly, loony, paranoid, conspiracy-theory, comic-bookish nonsense. Please? At least for the sake of keeping this blog a little classier than most? Heck, that’s why I came here in the first place! This is the classiest conservative blog on the net! Let’s keep it that way!!!
Tygrrrr???
JMJ
countryb4party said,
February 11, 2008 at 7:23 pm
It’s NOT racist. If it were, the MSM and those calling Romney’s religion in question, would be racists too.
They are very legitimate questions, especially when our national security is at stake.
BTW, the Bush family had ties to some of OBL’s relatives who disowned OBL.
Odinga and Obama’s brother are Islamic extremists. Big difference there, bud. Do some research.
Eagle6 said,
February 11, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Jersey, I agree that it is unfair to label BHO as a racist if he doesn’t have ties to the Trinity United Church of Christ. It is unfair to overemphasize his familial connections in Kenya unless they are proven. It is unfair to label him a racist as he focuses on being Black, unless he mentions somewhere that he’s also half white. I’d love to argue his positions, but he has done little but pander to poor, idealogical youth, and hopeful African Americans by promising to end the war, provide health care, and prmote education… by vacating the Middle East and taxing those who make over $200K. Those are his only “positions” thus far… besides bombing Pakistan and befriending Iran. Again, this is a simplistic answer.
Again, I agree that we should look more closely at sources to determine how much truth, if any, is tied to the different accusations. It is encouraging that you bring this to our attention, because you, too, have a tendency to confirm “truths” with, “because I said so”… That doesn’t make you wrong, and it doesn’t make me right…but it makes us both write…
micky2 said,
February 11, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Tygrrrr?
I’ll go out on a branch here and take an educated guess that Tygrrr will let you hold your own arguement.
If I may Mr. Mcjones.
Wasnt it you who spent two days trying to convince me that 911 was direct result of the Bush administrations existance ?
Jersey McJones said,
December 31, 2007 at 8:25 am
“Personally, Micky, I am quite convinced that Al Qaeda attacked us on 9/11 BECAUSE Bush and the GOP became the one party ruling majority.”
That would be the ultimate silly, loony, paranoid, conspiracy-theory, comic-bookish nonsense.
So while you are asking everyone to bring things up a notch you should realize that no one asked you to do the same when you said the above staement.
We are debating a realistic issue. And no one has made any direct accusations of anything yet.
We are asking questions as did Countryb on the previous thread.
countryb4party said,
February 11, 2008 at 2:15 pm
“Haven’t heard from the Obama camp yet. No big surprise. I hope I didn’t sound racist. I was referring to the fact that both Obama’s brother and cousin are Muslim extremists who want sharia law imposed on people in Kenya. It’s more of a national security issue.”
Please, if we are to be classy then we shouild first take into consideration that Bin Laden is not a blood relative to Bush as is Obama to his brother and cousin .
Huge difference my friend, HUGE.
Myself and a few other intelligent men would likre to know what the deal is with Obama and if his ties are serious enough to grant more concern.
Since Obama has not had to answer to any of this directly to Country4 or the MSM it only raises more concern.
Trust but verify.
deaconblue said,
February 11, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Isn’t it amazing what some normally rational people become when they face something they have an irrational hatred for? The vitriol, the nonesense, the ridiculous, all adds up rather fast. I can understand, accept, and deal with rational disagreements. But some of this…*stuff*…is just so over the top, it’s almost humorous. Almost.
Jersey McJones said,
February 12, 2008 at 5:08 am
Unbelievable. I give up. Go ahead and make fools of yourself. I’m not discussing Obama with any of you anymore.
JMJ
countryb4party said,
February 12, 2008 at 7:22 am
Why? Because he’s your candidate?
micky2 said,
February 12, 2008 at 7:49 am
When others on this blog make what I believe to be outrageous, paranoid, delusional or hysterical remarks, I do my best to show that person where and why I believe they are wrong.
When they accuse me of the same but cannot return the favor it usually means that I have made my point and they cannot refute it. Or pride and arrogance have stood in their way of actually believing the evidence that warrants a subject getting its due attention.
In all my debating experiences this has firmly lead me to believe that the positions and fighting spirit on the right are far superior to that of the left.
Some out there thrive on the belief that our commander in chief is a mean, evil, and stupid man who at the same time is so smart he can pull of some of the most diabolical schemes in history. ( 911, Katrina, contracts)
But a presidential candidate who has present generation blood related terrorist family members does not deserve any attention?
So far we know a lot about Obamas general upbringing and recent past. We get the wife and children displayed to us in various forms every day. And the usual ” hope and change” speachs along with they hype propoganda that comes along with any campaign.
But when is this man going to start answering some serious questions ?
I want to know what his feelings are towards his kin in Africa as much as I want to know what his feelings are for his family here at home.
I want to hear more from him about his church and its pastor. I want to hear exactly “HOW” he is going to fullfill all his promises.
And most of all I want to hear how he will deal with the terrorist threat we face today.
If his position on Pakistan and Iran is any indication of the direction he will take while in office , God help us all.
micky2 said,
February 12, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Check this out.
Obama volunteers and supporters with a Che Guevarra flag behind them.
http://grizzlygroundswell.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/obama_che.jpg
Red Tulips said,
February 12, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Hi Eric!
I agree with you 1000%! I think this issue needs to be a headline everywhere, and you wrote an excellent post on this subject. I do worry about McCain’s stance on torture and I wonder if in fact it will lead to us being ineffective in the fight against Islamofascism.
These are all real concerns of mine…but the media seems to only be concerned with “CHANGE” and what is going on with Britney Spears.
jweaver said,
February 13, 2008 at 9:09 am
Eric, I have read your post supporting McCain and here is my response:
John McCain was and is a war hero. He served his nation well in Vietnam and no one should try to diminish that or his experiences as captive. Yet being a war hero does not change major issues conservatives face with John McCain (and remember George McGovern was also a war hero) and the constant bashing of us from McCain’s supporters will do nothing but harden the ill feelings we harbor against a man that has constantly taken prides in giving us the finger. When conservatives needed McCain, he was on the other side of the issues. He believes people that support enforcing our immigration laws are racists, he is against our first amendment rights to political speech and freedom of association, he believes that the terrorists deserve constitutional protection regardless of where they are apprehended. These are just the major areas of disagreement. He has stated that he does not understand economics and that the economy is not a major area of his focus. He uses the rhetoric of class war-fare and the politics of envy in discussing taxes and drug companies. He was vocal in his support of John Kerry and Hillary Clinton, claiming both would be excellent Presidents. I just have yet seen a reason to support John McCain.
Arguments are made about the surge, well Rumsfeld had the most difficult job in America and the tasks given were Herculean, reforming an unwilling military while fighting a new type of war, all without Congressional support. Think about it, if McCain would have been a supporter instead of anti-Rumsfeld how much better it could have been for the troops, yet McCain did what many of the Democrats did, attack the administration while claiming support of the troops. It did not take a genius to see we needed a surge, but Congress did not want to support the limited number of troops, let alone the increase, everyone seems to forget that. And on judges, McCain was a large part of the problem with Executive appointments. He did not feel that the President gets to appoint his own people. As part of the gang of 14, he helped block many judges from appointments to post that are still not filled. Does he believe that when he is President he should not have the appointment power? I very well doubt it, this was just another way to hurt Bush (who I am not fond of myself) at the expense of the nominees and the country, not a good thing.
So lets return to the rally around McCain meme. I was willing to listen to the man believing he might say or do something to encourage Conservative support. He has done the opposite, letting advisors and staff pick fights with the right at the same time he continues to highlight his differences with the conservatives. I cannot support such a man, as he has done nothing to earn my support at this level. Again, I am speaking of his career as a Senator and not as a soldier. As a candidate he continues to harass the right as he demands our support, I just wish he would have supported us when we needed him. This does not mean a vote for the democrat necessarily, I do not vote for Marxists. Yet he uses their same class war-fare rhetoric!, I can see myself leaving the top of the ticket blank, while voting for GOP down ballot. Or if I do cast a ballot for McCain, it will be with bitter disgust at this election. Again, I would ask McCain and his supporters to think and tread carefully, stop antagonizing and attacking conservatives and earn our vote. A good VP pick could help.
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February 13, 2008 at 9:11 am
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Vicki Hampton said,
February 14, 2008 at 6:21 pm
I am a McCain supporter as well as a political blogger for him if anyone is interrested in signing up go to McCainVictory08.com. There was 8 of us to begin with when we started and now we are up to 80 I think.