There was a sound argument riding until recently: if Obama could only win in Red States with large African American populations, while Hillary won in large Blue Bluse State with national demographics, then he could not win in November. Sure enough, Obama won in places like Georgia, while Hillary picked up places like California and New York. On the other hand, Obama’s wins in smaller Blue States like Maryland and Connecticut is telling. If he can pull off a victory in Wisconsin – that would be interesting. I think it’s too close to call now. I do not think Hillary is some inevitable, evil comic book villian.
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Your gut is wrong this time my friend, IMHO.
Not that the black population is now convinved he has a chance, which he does, the wife of the first black president is being left behind in favor of the perhaps the first real black president. And he is winning white men. It is over.
We’ll seee where we stand in the wee hours of March 5, I think it will be over for her then, in reality if not yet numerically.
I hope you are wrong, but unfortunately you make a lot of sense. What I hope – that Hillary loses the popular vote in the primary,and pulls some stunts at the convention, like getting the Michigan and Florida delegates included, that angers a lot of people in her own party enough that they stay home in the general election. Then McCain wins the White House…
However, if Obama takes down Hillary, and we end up with a President Obama for 4 years, it will be worth it to me if it just gets rid of the Clintons from the national scene. Obama has many flaws (including being totally wrong on the issues) but so far he has shown himself to be a much more decent and ethical person than the Clintons. I just want them gone.
I truly hope you are right… because if she is to win, with everything favoring Obama at this time, the Democratic supporters, as they are already stating, will implode as they realize THEY will not elect the nominee, but others will “select” the nominee.
I have to agree. Keep in mind that the whole Democrat media machine is owned by the Clintons, Part of setting up that machine involved the promising of favors, like White House access, to various businesspeople and publicists. If Hillary’s not the nominee, the Dems may actually have to pay cash for the top-flight publicity, legal, and research help they are getting right now on a song and a promise.
This weighs heavily on the minds of the “superdelegates” and the guys who are going to decide whether to include states like Florida.
Empty suit? You need to listen to his most recent speeches. Better yet, read the Wisconsin results next week where the blue collar under $50K group FLOCKS from Clinton to Obama.
“I have to agree. Keep in mind that the whole Democrat media machine is owned by the Clintons.”
Where do you conservatives get these silly ideas? The Clintons have no such power. It’s such a comic-bookish way of looking at things. The superdelegates are not going to split the party and turn the convention into a melee by parting with the majority. If Obama wins the regular delegates, he is going to win it all, period. I’m not saying he will, but if he does the party will not allow that sort of intermural war.
I’m not a Democrat, but man at least I have some understanding of how that party works.
Go to discoverthenetworks.org, and play Six Degrees of Clinton, especially when you start talking about outfits that seem to be doing a lot of pro-Democrat media relations. Hillary has been coming this way since at least 2000. In fact, were it not for the war, Hillary might have run in 2004. In the meantime, they have been doing a lot to prepare the ground for this run at the White House.
Then look at races across the country where Democrats in obscure races seem to be able to pay people to follow GOP candidates around with video cameras (macaca), and where some “unaffiliated” 527 seems to be able to find news stories unflattering to obscure GOP candidates with plausible national aspirations. George Soros can do a lot, but he can’t do all that.
JMJ;
“the party will not allow that sort of intermural war.”
The same party that put in and allowe the worst congress we’ve ever seen with a 2% approval and also put in and allowed two loser candidates to be put up front might not be able to stop any in fighting. If anything they are helping to promote it.
I understand why Bushs approval ratings are low. And I dont argue with them. Never did.
With 7 years of having a plate fuller than probably any president in history he has maintained 30% approval rating.
Your lovely little congress worked their way into a 2% approval rating in their first 6 months. And did “NOTHING”
This is what happens when you vote on “change” with no plan pure ideoligy and “hope”.
“Yes, there are questions about Obama’s Pastor, but unless hard evidence emerges that Barack Obama would subvert America, this argument is a dead end. As for the Muslim angle, Obama has insisted that he is a Christian”
I think basically Obama is a good guy. Its his sympathies that might exist for Muslims along whith his noted ignorance on foreign affairs that has me worried.
I still want to know why this has not been even a small subject with the media that I think needs to be at least looked at.
Does the media not want to pop the Obama bubble they have been floating infront of us for weeks now ?
My sentiments on Bush are shared by a lot of minds greater than yours.
And even if I am wrong about Bushs work load it doesnt change the fact that the Dems have just not been making very good choices lately.
The “anything but Bush” mentallity is very irresponsable.
Obama sounds like hes coaching a high school gleed club. And they’re falling for it.
Its amazing to see the people in the audience get all lit up when he says hope and change. Its all a platitude. And the lemmings are going for it. Pipe dreams.
Obama was raised here in Hawaii. Last night was a no brainer as our local media (NBC affiliate)gave him about ten minutes of attention spanning on everything from his unwed mom and the “hard times to his school(Punahou) . Which by the way is a very exclusive private school that is not cheap at all. So times couldnt of been that hard fro him. So I dont buy this crap that he was raised in near poverty.My parents could only afford to send me during the summer. And in 72 my dad was making100,000 a year. The local station highlighted his campaign staff and the suport mechanisms in the island.
And during the whole NBC broad cast the only mention for about 15 seconds of the GOP was McCain and huckabees votes.
“My sentiments on Bush are shared by a lot of minds greater than yours.”
Nope. I’m just a regular shmuck, but there’s no way any great mind would agree with that. When you look at the history of America, and all the trial and tribulations, there’s no way anyone of sound mind would agree that Geaore W Bush had “a plate fuller than probably any president in history.” That’s just insane.
Oh, and about people of meager means travelling around – I’ve been quite amazed with their ingenuity over the years. People can be quite clever – even people who say things like “(Bush has had) a plate fuller than probably any president in history.” Poeple can be insane and clever at the same time. They can be a lot of other things too.
Jersey McJones said,
February 13, 2008 at 10:47 am
There was a sound argument riding until recently: if Obama could only win in Red States with large African American populations, while Hillary won in large Blue Bluse State with national demographics, then he could not win in November. Sure enough, Obama won in places like Georgia, while Hillary picked up places like California and New York. On the other hand, Obama’s wins in smaller Blue States like Maryland and Connecticut is telling. If he can pull off a victory in Wisconsin – that would be interesting. I think it’s too close to call now. I do not think Hillary is some inevitable, evil comic book villian.
JMJ
Just call him Moneybags Obama « the spike said,
February 13, 2008 at 10:50 am
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Tim B. said,
February 13, 2008 at 10:51 am
Your gut is wrong this time my friend, IMHO.
Not that the black population is now convinved he has a chance, which he does, the wife of the first black president is being left behind in favor of the perhaps the first real black president. And he is winning white men. It is over.
We’ll seee where we stand in the wee hours of March 5, I think it will be over for her then, in reality if not yet numerically.
Tim B. said,
February 13, 2008 at 10:52 am
NNot should be Now; sorry.
Shefali said,
February 13, 2008 at 10:59 am
I hope you are wrong, but unfortunately you make a lot of sense. What I hope – that Hillary loses the popular vote in the primary,and pulls some stunts at the convention, like getting the Michigan and Florida delegates included, that angers a lot of people in her own party enough that they stay home in the general election. Then McCain wins the White House…
However, if Obama takes down Hillary, and we end up with a President Obama for 4 years, it will be worth it to me if it just gets rid of the Clintons from the national scene. Obama has many flaws (including being totally wrong on the issues) but so far he has shown himself to be a much more decent and ethical person than the Clintons. I just want them gone.
Spree said,
February 13, 2008 at 11:20 am
I truly hope you are right… because if she is to win, with everything favoring Obama at this time, the Democratic supporters, as they are already stating, will implode as they realize THEY will not elect the nominee, but others will “select” the nominee.
Sekhmet said,
February 13, 2008 at 11:53 am
I have to agree. Keep in mind that the whole Democrat media machine is owned by the Clintons, Part of setting up that machine involved the promising of favors, like White House access, to various businesspeople and publicists. If Hillary’s not the nominee, the Dems may actually have to pay cash for the top-flight publicity, legal, and research help they are getting right now on a song and a promise.
This weighs heavily on the minds of the “superdelegates” and the guys who are going to decide whether to include states like Florida.
Falxius said,
February 13, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Empty suit? You need to listen to his most recent speeches. Better yet, read the Wisconsin results next week where the blue collar under $50K group FLOCKS from Clinton to Obama.
Jersey McJones said,
February 13, 2008 at 12:08 pm
“I have to agree. Keep in mind that the whole Democrat media machine is owned by the Clintons.”
Where do you conservatives get these silly ideas? The Clintons have no such power. It’s such a comic-bookish way of looking at things. The superdelegates are not going to split the party and turn the convention into a melee by parting with the majority. If Obama wins the regular delegates, he is going to win it all, period. I’m not saying he will, but if he does the party will not allow that sort of intermural war.
I’m not a Democrat, but man at least I have some understanding of how that party works.
Sheesh.
JMJ
Sekhmet said,
February 13, 2008 at 12:55 pm
JMJ,
Go to discoverthenetworks.org, and play Six Degrees of Clinton, especially when you start talking about outfits that seem to be doing a lot of pro-Democrat media relations. Hillary has been coming this way since at least 2000. In fact, were it not for the war, Hillary might have run in 2004. In the meantime, they have been doing a lot to prepare the ground for this run at the White House.
Then look at races across the country where Democrats in obscure races seem to be able to pay people to follow GOP candidates around with video cameras (macaca), and where some “unaffiliated” 527 seems to be able to find news stories unflattering to obscure GOP candidates with plausible national aspirations. George Soros can do a lot, but he can’t do all that.
micky2 said,
February 13, 2008 at 12:58 pm
JMJ;
“the party will not allow that sort of intermural war.”
The same party that put in and allowe the worst congress we’ve ever seen with a 2% approval and also put in and allowed two loser candidates to be put up front might not be able to stop any in fighting. If anything they are helping to promote it.
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February 13, 2008 at 1:08 pm
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Jersey McJones said,
February 13, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Sekhmet,
The Clintons do not run the Democratic party. That’s just silly.
Micky,
If approval rating determine the best and worst of anything to you, then you’d have turned on Bush a long time ago.
JMJ
micky2 said,
February 13, 2008 at 3:17 pm
I understand why Bushs approval ratings are low. And I dont argue with them. Never did.
With 7 years of having a plate fuller than probably any president in history he has maintained 30% approval rating.
Your lovely little congress worked their way into a 2% approval rating in their first 6 months. And did “NOTHING”
This is what happens when you vote on “change” with no plan pure ideoligy and “hope”.
micky2 said,
February 13, 2008 at 3:29 pm
“Yes, there are questions about Obama’s Pastor, but unless hard evidence emerges that Barack Obama would subvert America, this argument is a dead end. As for the Muslim angle, Obama has insisted that he is a Christian”
I think basically Obama is a good guy. Its his sympathies that might exist for Muslims along whith his noted ignorance on foreign affairs that has me worried.
I still want to know why this has not been even a small subject with the media that I think needs to be at least looked at.
Does the media not want to pop the Obama bubble they have been floating infront of us for weeks now ?
Jersey McJones said,
February 13, 2008 at 4:30 pm
“With 7 years of having a plate fuller than probably any president in history he has maintained 30% approval rating.”
ROTFLMAO!!!
Oh man. THAT was funny.
“…a plate fuller than probably any president in history”
Wow. I just don’t know what to say.
As for Obama, even our insipid popular media isn’t THAT sleazy.
JMJ
micky2 said,
February 13, 2008 at 5:02 pm
My sentiments on Bush are shared by a lot of minds greater than yours.
And even if I am wrong about Bushs work load it doesnt change the fact that the Dems have just not been making very good choices lately.
The “anything but Bush” mentallity is very irresponsable.
Obama sounds like hes coaching a high school gleed club. And they’re falling for it.
Its amazing to see the people in the audience get all lit up when he says hope and change. Its all a platitude. And the lemmings are going for it. Pipe dreams.
Obama was raised here in Hawaii. Last night was a no brainer as our local media (NBC affiliate)gave him about ten minutes of attention spanning on everything from his unwed mom and the “hard times to his school(Punahou) . Which by the way is a very exclusive private school that is not cheap at all. So times couldnt of been that hard fro him. So I dont buy this crap that he was raised in near poverty.My parents could only afford to send me during the summer. And in 72 my dad was making100,000 a year. The local station highlighted his campaign staff and the suport mechanisms in the island.
And during the whole NBC broad cast the only mention for about 15 seconds of the GOP was McCain and huckabees votes.
Jersey McJones said,
February 13, 2008 at 5:11 pm
“My sentiments on Bush are shared by a lot of minds greater than yours.”
Nope. I’m just a regular shmuck, but there’s no way any great mind would agree with that. When you look at the history of America, and all the trial and tribulations, there’s no way anyone of sound mind would agree that Geaore W Bush had “a plate fuller than probably any president in history.” That’s just insane.
Oh, and about people of meager means travelling around – I’ve been quite amazed with their ingenuity over the years. People can be quite clever – even people who say things like “(Bush has had) a plate fuller than probably any president in history.” Poeple can be insane and clever at the same time. They can be a lot of other things too.
JMJ
micky2 said,
February 13, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Well, I’ll agree that you are insane at times.
Jersey McJones said,
February 13, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Then we agree!
JMJ
micky2 said,
February 13, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Insane people are not allowed to make decisions like that.
Or vote.
Mark said,
February 13, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Well, I’m certainly looking forward to the blog you’ll write the day after Obama wins the nomination.
P.S. Edwards is endorsing him tomorrow.
micky2 said,
February 13, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Mark.
Gosh, I wonder if Obama welcomes that endorsement.