Who Regulates the Regulators?

March 28, 2008 at 9:02 am (POLITICS, Uncategorized)

WHO REGULATES THE REGULATORS? 

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22 Comments

  1. Jersey McJones said,

    You chose an awefully ironic time to post this.

    Eliot Spitzer came to the fore when the Bush administration came to the White House. If you recall, between ’98 and 2000, Spitzer was relatively unknown. Why? Because the Clinton administration was not entirely asleep at the regulatory wheel. With the coming of Bush, Wall Street realized that it could do pretty much as it pleased, and now we have the mortgage debacle. We need more Spitzers (sans the hookers), not less.

    JMJ

  2. micky2 said,

    Yup.
    Its all Bushs fault.
    Always was, always is, always will be.
    50 years from now ?
    Yup, even then, just blame Bush.
    Lets just infuse the whole government with Spitzers so that no one can sqeeze a penny out their rump without being taxed on it.
    Spritzer needs to pay for his habit somehow.

  3. Jersey McJones said,

    Micky, the Bush administration came into DC with an expressed de- and non- regulatory policy. From the FDA to the FCC to the SEC to the USDA to the EPA to the MSHA to the CPSC to FEMA on and on and on the Bush administration intentionally neglected it’s regulatory responsibilities. Conflicted poltical appointments, institutionally corrupt policies, and blatant disregard of law and legal intent have rendered our nation at serious risks, many of which have come to terrible and quite predictable fruition. From the lack of responsible regulation from the FDA we got the Vioxx scandal, from the FCC, media monopolization, from the SEC, the mortgage collapse, from the UDSA, tainted foods, from the EPA, state lawsuits to force it to comply with the law, from the MSHA, horrific mine tragedies, from the CPSC, poisonous toys, from FEMA, the Katrina debacle.

    The Bush administration is corrupt, conflicted, inept, and behaves as if it is above the law. They should all be put up on charges of malfeasance rising up in some cases to the level of treason.

    JMJ

  4. micky2 said,

    You got anything to back all that up ?
    Or just BDS ?

  5. Jersey McJones said,

    Read a newspaper once in a while, Micky. The world is pasing you by.

    To answer our good host’s question, “Who regulates the regulators” – We the people through our elected representatives.

    JMJ

  6. micky2 said,

    Thats all you got ?
    What newspaper ?
    New York times?
    Huffington post?
    Washington post ?
    BDS Times ?
    Good ole moonbats, lets regulate everything.

    On one hand you say “we the people regulate the regulators through our elected reps.”

    We the people also need to take responsability and not go around screwing up left and right and then try to impose regulations on corporations to make up for our stupidity.
    As far as Katrina goes.
    I established very well in the last post that Bush had little if nothing to do with that disater caused by a city whos “lack’ of regulation in any kind of public works was soley responsable.

  7. Jersey McJones said,

    The lax regulatory policies of the Bush administration have been a complete failure in every single respect. Period. Failure. Complete and total and utter failure. Worst. Administration. Ever.

    JMJ

  8. micky2 said,

    O.K. Jersey.
    We’ll all take your word for it. Period, completely, totally.

  9. Jersey McJones said,

    Okay Micky, do a little work. Look up any given sector that has been deregulated (or unregulated) since ’01. How are they doing? Really.

    Here, take one. The Sago disaster. http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/17/us-mine-safety-regulators-failed-to-conduct-inspections/

    Here’s another. Unregulated financial markets. http://www.247wallst.com/2008/03/quants-gone-wil.html

    Can you spot a few?

    I’d try military contracting. That should be a blast.

    JMJ

  10. micky2 said,

    .
    ” U. S. mine safety regulators failed to conduct inspections required by federal law at more than one in seven of the country’s 731 underground coal mines last year, a year in which the number of worker deaths in mining accidents more than doubled to 47, a government report says.’

    Jersey, whats yoiur point ?
    Is it Bushs fault the mine managment and regulators couldnt or didnt follow the law ?
    Give me huge freaking break !
    I’m not even gonna approach regulated finacial markets.
    it just goes hand in hand with lib philosophy so can get your grubby hands on everything and tax the crap out of it.
    A free market with minimal regulation has always done better in any society. And by loosening up those regulations after 911 Bush did the country a favor.
    F A C T !
    You are gonna have to do waaaaaaay better job than that to convince me that the Bush administration was a “complete and utter” failure.

    You have tried to make this ” complete and utter failure” arguement before and always have failed miserably.
    You may not like Bush, granted.
    But he is not a “complete and utter failure’
    I have shown you lists of his many, many accomplisments and proven you to be absolutley wrong.
    You may think repeating the same baseless accusations over and over again will make it true, but its been said here on this blog a million times now and hasnt worked too well for you now, has it ?

  11. Eagle 6 said,

    The comment, “They should all be put up on charges of malfeasance rising up in some cases to the level of treason.” should apply to all people who knowingly undermine the integrity of this country. Unfortunately, most Democrats could never be charged under this policy. They never knowingly do anything wrong because they are too naive to recognize the damage they cause.

  12. Jersey McJones said,

    Eagle and Micky – the Democrats aren’t much better then the Republicans. It’s a matter of very small degree. Micky, Bush is not some Boy King. When I refer to him, I refer to the entire Bush ADMINISTRATION. Eagle, the Democrats are NOT naive, they are just about as corrupted as the GOP.

    Get real guys.

    JMJ

  13. micky2 said,

    Looks like someone is concieding a little.

    I never said Bush was any kind of “king”.
    I’ll say this for any newcomers;
    Jersey, you know very well that I have blasted Bush on how the Iraq war was handled in the beggining and on the border issue.
    So dont try to paint me as a mindless Bush puppet.
    The fact of the matter is this.
    Bush and his crew are no more complete and utter failures any more than the Dems that you just said werent any better.
    I do not believe that any Dem administration has been a complete and utter failure, even Carters. I feel the same about all administrations.
    And yes jersey, Dems are naive.
    Most of them are supporting Obama because hes ” likeable”

  14. micky2 said,

    Get real, the way I see reality.

  15. Eagle 6 said,

    JMJ, As usual, I was taking a wry shot at Dems – nothing personal. I have to go back to class and will engage later.

  16. Jersey McJones said,

    Well Micky, Dem voters can be somewhat naive, as their choices this year point up. But at least their hearts are in the right place. It’s not that they fall so much for likeability (I think GOP voters are more swayed by that than are the Dem voters), but that they tend to be a little pie-eyed and rosey about America and their fellow Americans. I have a more realistic, I think, understanding of our polity and therefore do not share the Democrats optimism about the electability of a black man or a woman with the rather inappropriate “liberal” tag on her forehead.

    A point I’ve been trying to make to you is that I do not put all that much on the personal qualities of any candidate. I realize that they are all just cogs in much bigger machines. Obama’s lack of “experience,” for example, means nothing to me. That’s what the cabinet, advisors, lawyers, military, and all the rest of the massive executive branch of government are for. Clinton’s apparent lust for personal power means nothing to me as well. And McCains famous temper? Also nothing. These things can be controlled. Even Bush could have been a much better president had he been surrounded with better people, but the GOP had become drunk and crooked on power and filled the Bush administration with sleazy, criminal, inept hacks. When I refer to the failures of “Bush,” I am referring to his entire administration, not just him personally.

    It’s cool, Eagle. No offense taken.

    JMJ

  17. micky2 said,

    JMJ;
    “It’s not that they fall so much for likeability (I think GOP voters are more swayed by that than are the Dem voters),’

    I doubt it.
    The dems and leftys are a bunch of emotional whiners who want everything from an emotional standpoint instead of a practical means.
    I doubt anyone is supporting McCain on his bubbly personality, his great speechs and abilty to dance.
    Maybe he should pick up a saxophone, loose the tie, get a red corvette and a toupe` , learn how to rap and break dance
    If that happened then you might stand a chance of being right.

    I also look at all the factors involved in a mans capabilities and donr buy into the tags they egt by the media.
    When someone refuses BS they have a temper ?
    Can they hire better staff? Yea.
    But they still need some degree of expertise to hire that staff.
    Looking at how Clinton gave us a skeleton military, in combo with Rumsfeld insisting we could do it with lean military manpower was a mistake.
    But most American people agree that we had every right to go in.
    How it was executed and how we feel today is another story.
    And I still stand by the fact that Carter and his administration was the most incompetent ever.
    Harriet Myers, Michael brown etc…
    All picks are not always the best, it happens in some administarations more than others. That is usually represented in the amount of scandal you see which is usually due to low character qualities and poor judgement.
    Like the Clinton administration, which has been rocked by more scandal than I have ever seen in any administration.
    Bill sure new how to pick a staff now didnt he ?
    Shall we go down the list of all scandals involved with Clinton and his staff right up till today ?

  18. Jersey McJones said,

    “The dems and leftys are a bunch of emotional whiners who want everything from an emotional standpoint instead of a practical means.”

    Now that’s just silly. Who are the whiners? How about the Religious Right and their endless complaints about everything? Or the the war hawks who think their penis gets bigger if they “support the troops?” Or how about the “reevrse racism” whiners, or the easy offended anti-“politically correct” babies? On and on. Dems are just as practical and emotional as GOPers. It’s just that Dems are a huge tent and Reps tend to stand in line. So GOPers tend to have very defined worldviews, whereas Dems tend to see more in shades of gray.

    “I doubt anyone is supporting McCain on his bubbly personality, his great speechs and abilty to dance.”

    No, but again, he’s the nominee, and so the GOP will stand in line. Most Reps don’t even like McCain, he’s to practical. He does not let ideology incessantly stand in his way. Reps tend to be ideologues, firmly convinced of simple rightnesses and wrongs, regardless of events on the ground. They rationalize what they already believe and rarely change their minds. McCain doesn’t fit that mold, entirely. On the other hand, McCain is a war hero, and therefore that aforementioned “penis” factor rises again (pun intended).

    “I also look at all the factors involved in a mans capabilities and donr buy into the tags they egt by the media.”

    Eh. Presidents who like the media play to it, presidents who do not simply avoid it. I wouldn’t worry all that much about that.

    “When someone refuses BS they have a temper ?
    Can they hire better staff? Yea.
    But they still need some degree of expertise to hire that staff.”

    Not really. They have the whole national party and preexisting instutitional expertise to help them with that. I doubt most presidents ever personally knew 99% of the executive brance before they came to office. They probably only knew half or so of the higher positions.

    “And I still stand by the fact that Carter and his administration was the most incompetent ever.”

    As a student of history, I can tell you flatly that Carter’s administration was a mess, but nowhere near the most incompetent. Of course, it depends on what you call “incompetent.” Now, if by that you more mean “impotent” – unable to get things done regardless of what you think of thise things – even Carter had some worse company. If you mean personally incompetent, then Carter would actually rank pretty high. His life has been pretty much the definition of competent – he has been exceptionally personally successful.

    “Like the Clinton administration, which has been rocked by more scandal than I have ever seen in any administration.”

    Eh. Most of the Clinton “scandals” were really just Rightwing trivial whining. If you want scandals, loook up the Teapot Dome, or the Grant administartion. Now those were scandalous times.

    “Bill sure new how to pick a staff now didnt he?”

    Some of his people were fantastic, some not. A lot of them should have been well-regarded by the Right, but once again they let their irrational rage get the best of them. They should have loved Rubin and Reich, for expample. And Reno was fantastic. Some others were not so great, especially some of the Arkansas yokels they brought along in the beginning. By they weeded most of them out by the second term.

    “Shall we go down the list of all scandals involved with Clinton and his staff right up till today?”

    Yeah right. And then I’ll watch an episode of Jerry Springer just to keep with the theme. Lowbrow nonsense, most of it. At least Springer isn’t just a vindictive moron like many of the silly anti-Clintontites.

    Look, I don’t think Cliton was a very good presidency, but he certainly wasn’t the ridiculous cartoon you far-righties made him out to be.

    JMJ

  19. micky2 said,

    JMJ;
    “Now that’s just silly. Who are the whiners? How about the Religious Right and their endless complaints about everything? Or the the war hawks who think their penis gets bigger if they “support the troops?” Or how about the “reevrse racism” whiners, or the easy offended anti-”politically correct” babies? On and on. Dems are just as practical and emotional as GOPers. It’s just that Dems are a huge tent and Reps tend to stand in line. So GOPers tend to have very defined worldviews, whereas Dems tend to see more in shades of gray. ”

    Aww BS !
    Democrats complain that the president has not cracked down forcefully enough on Al Qaeda, yet gripe about the administration’s lack of concern for civil liberties in its pursuit of combating this organization.

    Also you guys complain about the war, guantanamo, Abu ghraib, you put out human shields, you complain about medical, trees, brown spotted owls,cigarette smoke,the use of plain english , trans fats, people worshiping, having to look at any religious display,recruiting centers. You complain about the rich,people who wear fur,not having footbaths, free enterprise,immigration laws.
    And to top it all off, you complain and whine about T H E W E A T H E R !!!!
    JMJ;
    “No, but again, he’s the nominee, and so the GOP will stand in line. Most Reps don’t even like McCain, he’s to practical. He does not let ideology incessantly stand in his way. Reps tend to be ideologues, firmly convinced of simple rightnesses and wrongs, regardless of events on the ground. They rationalize what they already believe and rarely change their minds. McCain doesn’t fit that mold, entirely. On the other hand, McCain is a war hero, and therefore that aforementioned “penis” factor rises again (pun intended). ”

    Not letting ideoligy stand in his way is why he is the nominee, and the exact reason is the opposite for Obama and Hillary.
    Ideology is wishful thinking , “hope’ a thought from the heart,
    Which proves my initial claim that Dems vote with heart and emotion instead of logic.
    You said it and made my point for me;
    Most reps dont like McCain, but out of realism we know he is the best of the three to get the job done.
    I dont know too many people who resent boners.

    JMJ:
    “As a student of history, I can tell you flatly that Carter’s administration was a mess, but nowhere near the most incompetent. Of course, it depends on what you call “incompetent.” Now, if by that you more mean “impotent” – unable to get things done regardless of what you think of thise things – even Carter had some worse company. If you mean personally incompetent, then Carter would actually rank pretty high. His life has been pretty much the definition of competent – he has been exceptionally personally successful.’

    I’m tired of you bragging about your historical studying.
    I am a professional chef. And if I wanted to I could intentionally leave out one of the 21 ingredients in a Caesar salad if I wanted to just so you wouldnt like it.
    Your historical reflections are subject to bias and interpretation and mean absolutley nothing to me.
    Does it make your penis bigger to always say you are a student of history as it does the reps to say they support the troops ?
    Carter probabaly makes just as good a salad as he did a presidency.
    Ineffective is much in the same realm as incompetent.

    The Clinton administartion has been looked at by independant council more than any in history.
    You are a student of history , right ?

  20. Jersey McJones said,

    “Democrats complain that the president has not cracked down forcefully enough on Al Qaeda, yet gripe about the administration’s lack of concern for civil liberties in its pursuit of combating this organization.”

    Sounds reasonable to me.

    “Also you guys complain about the war, guantanamo, Abu ghraib, you put out human shields, you complain about medical, trees, brown spotted owls,cigarette smoke,the use of plain english , trans fats, people worshiping, having to look at any religious display,recruiting centers. You complain about the rich,people who wear fur,not having footbaths, free enterprise,immigration laws.”

    You’re going to A) have to be a lot more specific, and B) realize that feelings among Democrats are quite varied about all those issues. As for me, I am not a Democrat, so “(my) guys” have nothing to do with this conversation.

    “And to top it all off, you complain and whine about T H E W E A T H E R !!!!”

    Me? No. I live in Florida. I love the weather.

    “Not letting ideoligy stand in his way is why he is the nominee, and the exact reason is the opposite for Obama and Hillary.”

    No, that’s what the three have in common. All are pretty pragmatic and non are hard to the left or right. The reason McCain won is that the GOP base realized that another Bush-esque ideologue wouldn’t win to Spongebob Squarepants in the national election.

    “Most reps dont like McCain, but out of realism we know he is the best of the three to get the job done.’

    Oh puh-lease!!! That’s the goofiest thing I’ve ever heard you say! They put McCain in there because he could win, not because he’s going to give them everything they want!

    “I dont know too many people who resent boners.”

    Yeah, but I know plenty who live for nothing but them – they’re known as Hawks.

    “Does it make your penis bigger to always say you are a student of history as it does the reps to say they support the troops?”

    No. Might make my head a little bigger, but not that one. I don;t have to prove my manliness by being a goofball, adolescent war hawk.

    Most of the Clitnon “scandals” were lowbrow nonsense for the consumption of the barely sentient Fox “News” audience. The American people, thank God, weren’t stupid enough top concern themselves with most of it. The proof>? His ratings only rose with each new stupid “scandal.”

    At least Clinton’s scandals didn’t kill and maime thousands of Americans and left the nation broke.

    JMJ

  21. micky2 said,

    Prisoners of war don’t get civil liberties Jersey, they’re not Americans. They get human rights.

    JMJ;
    “You’re going to A) have to be a lot more specific, and B) realize that feelings among Democrats are quite varied about all those issues. As for me, I am not a Democrat, so “(my) guys” have nothing to do with this conversation.

    It still comes from the left, as you just concurred.

    JMJ;
    “And to top it all off, you complain and whine about T H E W E A T H E R !!!!”
    Me? No. I live in Florida. I love the weather.”

    Its called global warming, climate change,weather.

    JMJ;
    “No, that’s what the three have in common. All are pretty pragmatic and non are hard to the left or right. The reason McCain won is that the GOP base realized that another Bush-esque ideologue wouldn’t win to Spongebob Squarepants in the national election.”

    All three ? As you would say “LOL”!
    Ever take a look at Obamas intended policies ?
    He’s been deemed the most liberal candidate ever by most reputable critics.
    Hillary is right behind him.
    Pragmatics can be applied at different levels. Some with a very low context of semantics, some applications are more sublime.
    Really don’t see how the way the speak defines their ideas.
    As far the other interpretation of pragmatics goes, a lot of Hillary’s and Obamas ideas are unrealistic and very idealistic.
    Obama says he’ll bring all the troops home in a year.
    Hillary was more vague about it and said; ” I’ll bring them home as quickly as is responsably possible”
    That is wishful thinking bro, idealism, period.
    So is universal medicine and ” green jobs”

    JMJ;
    “Oh puh-lease!!! That’s the goofiest thing I’ve ever heard you say! They put McCain in there because he could win, not because he’s going to give them everything they want!”
    Goof this,
    McCain has a better record of getting things done than both Hillary and Obama combined. Hillary has hardly ever done squat and usually takes credit for Bills accomplishments.
    Most people on the street cant tell you one thing Obama has ever done. I saw the same survey on CNN and FOX

    JMJ;
    Yeah, but I know plenty who live for nothing but them – they’re known as Hawks.
    Nothing but ?
    Not even gonna touch the rest. (pun intended)

    JMJ;
    “No. Might make my head a little bigger, but not that one. I don;t have to prove my manliness by being a goofball, adolescent war hawk. ”

    What is it with you and the manliness thing ? There you go again.
    Get your hormones checked and put it to rest.

    JMJ;
    “Most of the Clinton “scandals” were lowbrow nonsense for the consumption of the barely sentient Fox “News” audience. The American people, thank God, weren’t stupid enough top concern themselves with most of it. The proof>? His ratings only rose with each new stupid “scandal.”

    Typical and predictably weak response.
    Fox has absolutely nothing in the world to do with this. But I guess in order to gather your manliness you need to ramble off a FOX accusation at least once a week in conjunction with your BDS.
    American people are still concerned with the Clinton’s past scandals. Just like the Bosnia trip and a lot of other stuff that is not clearly in focus. The archives just released from the Clinton library? Almost half of the names and places have been omitted. What the hell is that all about ? Where’s the tax returns ?
    And the point I was making and that you just confirmed for me is that the scandals were there.

    JMJ;
    “At least Clinton’s scandals didn’t kill and Maine thousands of Americans and left the nation broke.”

    With as much due respect as I can gather, that is a really irresponsible and untrue statement.
    The biggest scandal is Bill not handling Al Quean sooner.
    Had he gone after Al Queda after being attacked 3 times by them I seriously doubt 911 would of happened.
    Its easy to improve the budget when you don’t spend money protecting your country and its people and you widdle the military down to few boy scouts.

  22. micky2 said,

    I’m sorry, its about this hawk/manliness thing.

    I’m inclinded to believe that a true man would confront his enemies/problems rather than run around in the streets and bitch about it or ask someone else to handle it for them.
    You can only talk so much untill its time to reach out and touch someone.
    Especially when they have killed Americans and have vowed to continue doing so.
    A real man does not hide from his responsabilities under the desk with an intern, or simply deny that it exists or live in a fantasy land where he believes he can sit down and talk peace with a rabid dog.
    Even monkeys get it.
    First you get a vebal warning, if you dont leave you get the treatment. If you keep coming back they will follow you and kill you.
    ( saw it on NG)

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