I would give just about anything to see Gen. Petraeus get up and walk over to Levine smack him upside the head and say ” What dont you understand about not commiting to a time frame ?” You can try all you want but you;re not going to get me to say that !”
Grrrr.
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I watched the first hearing today. So far nothing new or surprising. As usual, too much emphasis on the irrelevent - AQI, Irans’ alleged support of Mahdi (a complete opposite of truth), etc. Some questions bounced around by purvue. The usual. Nothing to see here folks.
I thank God we have a military at the pleasure of the people and not the other way around. So I’m glad we’re having hearings. And I don’t care about the qualifications of the senators. They were elected, that’s all the qualifications they need. Being from a military background is not the sole perfect qualifier for life - or even war. It is no more or less impressive than being a doctor, jurist, teacher, parent, and yes even a politician. One great politician can save more lives, end more wars, ease more suffering, and avoid war entirely than all the militaries of the world combined. And even in matters of war, the miltary, lacking expertise in many matters peripheral to war, requires assistance from other sectors of the actors public and private sectors. A war is more than just the military engagement - it is all the other matters of at least the two actor states. War, sadly, is more than just those who fight it with their lives.
This is not to denegrate soldiers, so if anyone infers that, please get a life. This is simply to argue that shooting the messengers on the Hill may make you feel good, but it’s seriously misgiven. Thank God we still have some vestige of civilian oversight of the military. I do not want to live in a Third World cesspit run by a bunch of generals - like every Third World country run by generals. There is more to life - and in war - than just being a general.
Enjoy the hearings, all. Sometimes they’re quite educational.
JMJ;
“And I don’t care about the qualifications of the senators. They were elected, that’s all the qualifications they need.
LMAO.
I was listening to Kennedy and told myself; “Jeez, I’ve never been a politician and I could think of better questions that dont represent an unyeilding display of contempt and moonbattery partisanship. And would instead actually ask questions that get to the heart of the matter without trying to play gotcha.
And then theres Levin, trying to put words into the generals mouth.
Some of the crap I heard actually qulifies them to be taken out behind the woodshed.
Luckily we will ever have to depend on guys like you to defend our country.
Supporting the positions we expected them to hold is one thing. Trying to play strategic semantics to get a certain answer is BS !
Picking them serves little purpose when after they are elected they do an about face and give us all the finger.
Comprende ?
Woodshed baby, woodshed.
What has stricken me both last week with the Fed hearings and then today is the politization of the events…the cheap shots and vile ignorance expressed…mostly by the Dems ( I was a Dem my whole voting life until about 8 months ago… Senators Kennedy, Clinton and Obama among others really have no place in front of such honorable individuals as Crocker and Petraeus.
Yes, I am also thankful we don’t live under military rule;’ no doubt…but, thhe military seems a great deal more serious about making the world a better place than a number of our Representatives…
Have any congressional hearings ever been about anything other than the political preening of members who spend lots of time pontificating and very little time asking questions. Most of those questions are designed to score political points rather than elicit information. This is true of most members on both sides. They enter these hearings already having positions and agendas none if which will change. So mostly they are a waste of time and money and I really don’t see much point to them,
Jersey I do applaud the fact that you recognize a lot more than soldiers contribute to the war effort. Let us not forget that DOD itself of an integrated miltary, civilian, and contractor team that all play an important role. In addition to all the other institutions you are implying. But have a hard time with the statement: “One great politician can save more lives, end more wars, ease more suffering, and avoid war entirely than all the militaries of the world combined.” One politician either great or terrible has only a limited effect on anything. It is only in concert with other politicians, corporations, citizens, the military, and every other category you can think of that any politician can accomplish anything.
Yes it is a good thing we do have civilian oversight of the military. I just don’t think these hearings provide anything to that oversight.
I agree, Parrothead - “Yes it is a good thing we do have civilian oversight of the military. I just don’t think these hearings provide anything to that oversight.” But I’m still really glad that I as a citizen had the opportunity to watch them and share them with you guys. I’m glad I have elected representatives at least asking questions, all be they mostly insipid.
JMJ
PS: MCCAIN SHOULD PICK HAGEL - Smartest. Pick. Ever. (or like Dole picking Kemp… oh well… never mind.)
Insipid is not the word.
Vindictive and malicious and contemptuous. Its all about CMA and votes.
If they actually gave a rats a$$ besides something other than their own appearance the questionong would be of substance.
But the left is just using this to push their stupid little partisan agendas.
“At least asking questions?’
In this case its like saying ” well I tried” as the whole effort goes to hell in a handbasket.
Bush & Petraeus - LEAD, FOLLOW or GET the (redacted) OUT of the WAY | said,
[...] Uygur: Why is General Petraeus Helping Iran?General Petraeus, Please tell the entire truthGeneral Petraeus: “We Haven’t Turned Any Corners. We Haven’t Seen …General [...]
Eric, Not sure why you would allow post #15 - although many of us may submit personal opinions or unsubstantiated arguments, ..not sure what the above doodling is… First, the good General isn’t helping Iran. Second, if one’s brain has been zeroed out, I suppose one wouldn’t recognize a corner, and third, what does “Weh Haven’t See…Generer…” mean? The poster is likely a registered voter. Only in America
@ Eagle.
From my experience Eric sometimes leaves these kind of things up just so we can get an example of the idocy and ignorance out there.
It also looks like #15 tried to leave a ping back or link and it didnt take.
[...] Uygur: Why is General Petraeus Helping Iran? General Petraeus, Please tell the entire truth General Petraeus: “We Haven’t Turned Any Corners. We Haven’t Seen … General Petraeus Iraq [...]
micky2 said,
April 8, 2008 at 9:08 am
Without reading your post I will first say that Levine and Kennedy Pi$$ed me off.
Now I will read.
TRM said,
April 8, 2008 at 9:16 am
A goddamned circus…
I am going around trying to link us all up that are posting on this… good one dude…
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April 8, 2008 at 9:19 am
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micky2 said,
April 8, 2008 at 10:23 am
I would give just about anything to see Gen. Petraeus get up and walk over to Levine smack him upside the head and say ” What dont you understand about not commiting to a time frame ?” You can try all you want but you;re not going to get me to say that !”
Grrrr.
David M said,
April 8, 2008 at 10:50 am
The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - Web Reconnaissance for 04/08/2008 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day…so check back often.
Jersey McJones said,
April 8, 2008 at 11:44 am
I watched the first hearing today. So far nothing new or surprising. As usual, too much emphasis on the irrelevent - AQI, Irans’ alleged support of Mahdi (a complete opposite of truth), etc. Some questions bounced around by purvue. The usual. Nothing to see here folks.
I thank God we have a military at the pleasure of the people and not the other way around. So I’m glad we’re having hearings. And I don’t care about the qualifications of the senators. They were elected, that’s all the qualifications they need. Being from a military background is not the sole perfect qualifier for life - or even war. It is no more or less impressive than being a doctor, jurist, teacher, parent, and yes even a politician. One great politician can save more lives, end more wars, ease more suffering, and avoid war entirely than all the militaries of the world combined. And even in matters of war, the miltary, lacking expertise in many matters peripheral to war, requires assistance from other sectors of the actors public and private sectors. A war is more than just the military engagement - it is all the other matters of at least the two actor states. War, sadly, is more than just those who fight it with their lives.
This is not to denegrate soldiers, so if anyone infers that, please get a life. This is simply to argue that shooting the messengers on the Hill may make you feel good, but it’s seriously misgiven. Thank God we still have some vestige of civilian oversight of the military. I do not want to live in a Third World cesspit run by a bunch of generals - like every Third World country run by generals. There is more to life - and in war - than just being a general.
Enjoy the hearings, all. Sometimes they’re quite educational.
JMJ
micky2 said,
April 8, 2008 at 12:42 pm
JMJ;
“And I don’t care about the qualifications of the senators. They were elected, that’s all the qualifications they need.
LMAO.
I was listening to Kennedy and told myself; “Jeez, I’ve never been a politician and I could think of better questions that dont represent an unyeilding display of contempt and moonbattery partisanship. And would instead actually ask questions that get to the heart of the matter without trying to play gotcha.
And then theres Levin, trying to put words into the generals mouth.
Some of the crap I heard actually qulifies them to be taken out behind the woodshed.
Jersey McJones said,
April 8, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Well luckily, Micky, we don’t live under a military Mickyocracy. You want better senators? So do I. We can only help pick our own.
JMJ
micky2 said,
April 8, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Luckily we will ever have to depend on guys like you to defend our country.
Supporting the positions we expected them to hold is one thing. Trying to play strategic semantics to get a certain answer is BS !
Picking them serves little purpose when after they are elected they do an about face and give us all the finger.
Comprende ?
Woodshed baby, woodshed.
Brian said,
April 8, 2008 at 3:17 pm
What has stricken me both last week with the Fed hearings and then today is the politization of the events…the cheap shots and vile ignorance expressed…mostly by the Dems ( I was a Dem my whole voting life until about 8 months ago…
Senators Kennedy, Clinton and Obama among others really have no place in front of such honorable individuals as Crocker and Petraeus.
Yes, I am also thankful we don’t live under military rule;’ no doubt…but, thhe military seems a great deal more serious about making the world a better place than a number of our Representatives…
parrothead said,
April 8, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Have any congressional hearings ever been about anything other than the political preening of members who spend lots of time pontificating and very little time asking questions. Most of those questions are designed to score political points rather than elicit information. This is true of most members on both sides. They enter these hearings already having positions and agendas none if which will change. So mostly they are a waste of time and money and I really don’t see much point to them,
Jersey I do applaud the fact that you recognize a lot more than soldiers contribute to the war effort. Let us not forget that DOD itself of an integrated miltary, civilian, and contractor team that all play an important role. In addition to all the other institutions you are implying. But have a hard time with the statement: “One great politician can save more lives, end more wars, ease more suffering, and avoid war entirely than all the militaries of the world combined.” One politician either great or terrible has only a limited effect on anything. It is only in concert with other politicians, corporations, citizens, the military, and every other category you can think of that any politician can accomplish anything.
Yes it is a good thing we do have civilian oversight of the military. I just don’t think these hearings provide anything to that oversight.
Jersey McJones said,
April 8, 2008 at 7:37 pm
I agree, Parrothead - “Yes it is a good thing we do have civilian oversight of the military. I just don’t think these hearings provide anything to that oversight.” But I’m still really glad that I as a citizen had the opportunity to watch them and share them with you guys. I’m glad I have elected representatives at least asking questions, all be they mostly insipid.
JMJ
PS: MCCAIN SHOULD PICK HAGEL - Smartest. Pick. Ever. (or like Dole picking Kemp… oh well… never mind.)
Tom Autry said,
April 8, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Fact: Some of our Senators are aiding and abetting, boosting the morale of the enemy, and harming the morale of our soldiers.
micky2 said,
April 8, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Insipid is not the word.
Vindictive and malicious and contemptuous. Its all about CMA and votes.
If they actually gave a rats a$$ besides something other than their own appearance the questionong would be of substance.
But the left is just using this to push their stupid little partisan agendas.
“At least asking questions?’
In this case its like saying ” well I tried” as the whole effort goes to hell in a handbasket.
Bush & Petraeus - LEAD, FOLLOW or GET the (redacted) OUT of the WAY | said,
April 8, 2008 at 11:10 pm
[...] Uygur: Why is General Petraeus Helping Iran?General Petraeus, Please tell the entire truthGeneral Petraeus: “We Haven’t Turned Any Corners. We Haven’t Seen …General [...]
Eagle 6 said,
April 9, 2008 at 6:33 am
Eric, Not sure why you would allow post #15 - although many of us may submit personal opinions or unsubstantiated arguments, ..not sure what the above doodling is… First, the good General isn’t helping Iran. Second, if one’s brain has been zeroed out, I suppose one wouldn’t recognize a corner, and third, what does “Weh Haven’t See…Generer…” mean? The poster is likely a registered voter. Only in America
micky2 said,
April 9, 2008 at 7:25 am
@ Eagle.
From my experience Eric sometimes leaves these kind of things up just so we can get an example of the idocy and ignorance out there.
It also looks like #15 tried to leave a ping back or link and it didnt take.
blacktygrrrr said,
April 9, 2008 at 9:35 am
Comment # 15 will be the subject of my entire column tomorrow, which has already been written as of last night. Stay tuned!
eric
Jersey McJones said,
April 9, 2008 at 1:40 pm
David Scott is letting Petraeus and Crocker have it good right now.
Some of the questions, like some of the questioners, are pretty good.
JMJ
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April 10, 2008 at 9:08 am
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