Obama has started to believe his own hype, or maybe he always has. He isn’t an African-American like most African-Americans; he has no history of slavery in his family. I think that has kind of given him a psychological edge and it makes white people less afraid of him, even if they aren’t aware of it. He went to Harvard, where his dad went. Like the Bushes both went to Yale.
He has no interest in people really, only in his own adulation from the people. I like your line: West Virginia is a state consisting of people. People of all colors and walks of life have shown themselves willing to vote for Obama, but he refuses to reach out to anybody who isn’t already “obtainable.” I don’t get it.
“Now Obama is dismissing West Virginia. Rural white voters are simply not his target.
This only feeds into the perception that Obama is an elitist.”
Huh, and all this time I figured it made him look like a REALIST. Arrogance has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with why Obama loses WV. RACISM does. In fact, when you look at the states he loses, and the way all the polls coelate, RACISM is the great obstacle for Obama, not stupid, phony pseudo-isues like “eltism.” That only works on Fox “News” vewers.
Chimera, I was Obama, I wouldn’t set foot in that Klan territory ever, let alone on the campaign trail.
Senator Clinton went to Yale. So what? McCain left his cancer stricken wife and kids who waited for him from Vietnam for a beer baroness. So what if Obama went to Harvard. He done good and got on a scholarship.
Sorry jersey.
You can invoke FOX all you want.
Obama has already made it clear with or without FOX thet he does not understand common Americans.
News flash.
My wifes co worker( a democrat) whom went to school with Obama said he was a “stuck up and unpleasant fellow to be around”
No. If Obama wasn’t in the race, Hillary may well lose such states to some other guy, like an Edwards. Of course black people are very proud of Obama and see this as a wonderful opportunity. That’s not racism, that’s reaction top hundreds of years of racism. How many black people are in the senate? How many black people have been elected to statewide offices in the Bible Belt? You can’t compare blacks for for Obama with white people voting against him because he’s black. That’s specious logic at best.
Micky, the whole “elitist” tag is just rightwing rabble-rousing rhetoric. That’s not for “common” Americans, that’s for slobbolas. GWB was a Blue Blood from Connecticut and somehow the slobbolas bought that he was a regular cowboy-guy. The rightwiong media creates and promegates these phony typologies. Obama would be wise to ignore them.
Sorry, but once again you seem to think what you say, your opinon, and partisanship somehow is more truthful than what we have all seen and heard.
The question of his elitsm was asked, commented on and confirmed by many , many sources other than the right wing media.
JMJ:
‘Of course black people are very proud of Obama and see this as a wonderful opportunity. That’s not racism, that’s reaction top hundreds of years of racism. ‘
Yea, its has nothing to do with his credentials, its all about “hey ! we got a black man running!?
And you say its not racist ?????????????
It amazes me how you never fail to address racism on behalf of whites, but anytime blacks do it you call it everything but what it is.
Reaction to years of racism ?
Please, give us all a break.
Choosing a black man just to even the score is racism to the core
Jersey.
Ztormtra asked a question refering to when in history has this happened before.
All you say is “it happens all the time”
And then snap his/her head of with”pay attention”.
Maybe you could be kind enough to give an example instead of just autocratically dictating and then getting smart.
I saw nothing in the qiestion that deserved your arrogant response.
It may be off topic but I couldnt ignore it.
Ya know what.
That has little to do with the hostile answer you gave.
And once again. You assume people are less than or something along those lines(oh yea, they live in caves) when they dont agree with you.
It does happen all the time? In North Carolina, in 17 minutes?
Please enlighten me instead acting like the gran poopa whos always ontop of the latest but seems to never have a document to back anything up.
Oh God, Micky, it just has to do with the time it takes to count ballots. It’s all just timing. Now, that Indiana county next to Chicago that took so long to report - that was a little smelly. There was no need for horseplay in NC. Obama had it in the bank. He’s not Richard Nixon, ya’ know.
No, thats not at all what you said.
You said the suburb votes get counted first. (usually)
Now , honestly, I dont know what happens in North Carolina, nor do I give crap.
But it seems this guy asked a question with no histility attached to it and you acted like he was some kind of jerk.
If I saw that happen and was concerned about something fishy I would ask.
So, thise leads to the more important point.
Are you sure that the suburbian votes got counted first ? What determines that ?
You would think actually that in urban areas and cities with higher concentrations of people would actually give more results quicker.
So, the guys question was legite and you really had little or no reason to sound off like some kind big winded know it all bully.
Micky, I wouldn’t even know where to beging citing such data. All I know is that I seen and participated in plenty of votes in my day and to deny what I’ve said would be just plain ludicrous.
And as for “arrogance” and Obama, there’s no way in low unholy h@ll that anyone can tell me that last night’s ridiculous spread didn’t represent deep racism in WV. I know it serves conservatives to believe that racism is no longer a tangible problem in America, but if this doesn’t bring you to a reality check, I don’t think anything ever will.
Yea right.
Just as thought.
You got nothin again. Just your word of authortiy.
The irony is amazing.
Whats that liberal motto you here evrywhere ?
Oh yea. ” Question authority!”
Well Jersey. You are always the authority on everything. And yet when you are questioned about how you come to conclusions or where you get your facts you get all bent out of shape or of course as we all have noticed, you have nothing reliable to draw from except expecting us to take your word for it.
Hilariously ridiculous.
If you wouldnt know where to cite such data how in the hell can you claim it to be fact !!??
Jeez man what ? You wanna tell me I’m wrong?
Theres a diiference between debating/arguing/discussing and just banging on your chest , making empty statements and saying things that have no merit.
“You got nothin again. Just your word of authortiy.” — micky2, to JMJ
Once on a visit to the Philadelphia Zoo I saw an African America gent., about 6 foot plus and built like a football player, trying to keep up with his small but very oppositional son. As I approached him I smiled and said, “He’s two?” Exasperated, the fellow slowly nodded several times and said, “Yeah,” then continued after his, as I and my wife tried to keep up with ours.
That’s reminiscent of my exchange with JMJ about the existence of G-d, where he rejects tradition, reason/logic, science/data. What’s Left? The reason he doesn’t believe in G-d boils down to ” ‘Cause I don’t wanna!” From that, and his(?) responses on other threads, it appears he(?) is either a very smart “terrible-2″ toddler, or a not too bright adolescent. (And, if older, it only gets worse.)
chimera said,
May 13, 2008 at 9:27 am
Obama has started to believe his own hype, or maybe he always has. He isn’t an African-American like most African-Americans; he has no history of slavery in his family. I think that has kind of given him a psychological edge and it makes white people less afraid of him, even if they aren’t aware of it. He went to Harvard, where his dad went. Like the Bushes both went to Yale.
He has no interest in people really, only in his own adulation from the people. I like your line: West Virginia is a state consisting of people. People of all colors and walks of life have shown themselves willing to vote for Obama, but he refuses to reach out to anybody who isn’t already “obtainable.” I don’t get it.
Jersey McJones said,
May 13, 2008 at 9:35 am
“Now Obama is dismissing West Virginia. Rural white voters are simply not his target.
This only feeds into the perception that Obama is an elitist.”
Huh, and all this time I figured it made him look like a REALIST. Arrogance has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with why Obama loses WV. RACISM does. In fact, when you look at the states he loses, and the way all the polls coelate, RACISM is the great obstacle for Obama, not stupid, phony pseudo-isues like “eltism.” That only works on Fox “News” vewers.
Chimera, I was Obama, I wouldn’t set foot in that Klan territory ever, let alone on the campaign trail.
JMJ
O Nation said,
May 13, 2008 at 9:36 am
Senator Clinton went to Yale. So what? McCain left his cancer stricken wife and kids who waited for him from Vietnam for a beer baroness. So what if Obama went to Harvard. He done good and got on a scholarship.
Eagle 6 said,
May 13, 2008 at 10:04 am
Jersey, If racism is why Obama will lose W VA, then is that why Hillary lost S Carolina? In other words, does it play both ways?
micky2 said,
May 13, 2008 at 10:04 am
Sorry jersey.
You can invoke FOX all you want.
Obama has already made it clear with or without FOX thet he does not understand common Americans.
News flash.
My wifes co worker( a democrat) whom went to school with Obama said he was a “stuck up and unpleasant fellow to be around”
Jersey McJones said,
May 13, 2008 at 10:13 am
No. If Obama wasn’t in the race, Hillary may well lose such states to some other guy, like an Edwards. Of course black people are very proud of Obama and see this as a wonderful opportunity. That’s not racism, that’s reaction top hundreds of years of racism. How many black people are in the senate? How many black people have been elected to statewide offices in the Bible Belt? You can’t compare blacks for for Obama with white people voting against him because he’s black. That’s specious logic at best.
Micky, the whole “elitist” tag is just rightwing rabble-rousing rhetoric. That’s not for “common” Americans, that’s for slobbolas. GWB was a Blue Blood from Connecticut and somehow the slobbolas bought that he was a regular cowboy-guy. The rightwiong media creates and promegates these phony typologies. Obama would be wise to ignore them.
JMJ
micky2 said,
May 13, 2008 at 10:29 am
Sorry, but once again you seem to think what you say, your opinon, and partisanship somehow is more truthful than what we have all seen and heard.
The question of his elitsm was asked, commented on and confirmed by many , many sources other than the right wing media.
JMJ:
‘Of course black people are very proud of Obama and see this as a wonderful opportunity. That’s not racism, that’s reaction top hundreds of years of racism. ‘
Yea, its has nothing to do with his credentials, its all about “hey ! we got a black man running!?
And you say its not racist ?????????????
It amazes me how you never fail to address racism on behalf of whites, but anytime blacks do it you call it everything but what it is.
Reaction to years of racism ?
Please, give us all a break.
Choosing a black man just to even the score is racism to the core
ztormtra said,
May 13, 2008 at 10:48 am
Why was Hillary neck & neck with Obama in North Carolina all day and then within 17 minutes the votes drastically changed to a landslide for Obama?
When in the history of America has that happend in any state anywhere?
micky2 said,
May 13, 2008 at 11:13 am
I like Brie, and Camembert and Limberger.
Gotta have my stinky cheese.
Jersey McJones said,
May 13, 2008 at 12:08 pm
ztormtra,
Because Hillary gets more suburban votes (which are usually counted the fastest) and mail-ins.
It happens all the time. Pay attention.
JMJ
micky2 said,
May 13, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Jersey.
Ztormtra asked a question refering to when in history has this happened before.
All you say is “it happens all the time”
And then snap his/her head of with”pay attention”.
Maybe you could be kind enough to give an example instead of just autocratically dictating and then getting smart.
I saw nothing in the qiestion that deserved your arrogant response.
It may be off topic but I couldnt ignore it.
Jersey McJones said,
May 13, 2008 at 1:33 pm
It happens ALL the time, Micky. You’d have to live in a cave not to know that.
JMJ
micky2 said,
May 13, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Ya know what.
That has little to do with the hostile answer you gave.
And once again. You assume people are less than or something along those lines(oh yea, they live in caves) when they dont agree with you.
It does happen all the time? In North Carolina, in 17 minutes?
Please enlighten me instead acting like the gran poopa whos always ontop of the latest but seems to never have a document to back anything up.
Jersey McJones said,
May 13, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Oh God, Micky, it just has to do with the time it takes to count ballots. It’s all just timing. Now, that Indiana county next to Chicago that took so long to report - that was a little smelly. There was no need for horseplay in NC. Obama had it in the bank. He’s not Richard Nixon, ya’ know.
JMJ
micky2 said,
May 13, 2008 at 2:32 pm
No, thats not at all what you said.
You said the suburb votes get counted first. (usually)
Now , honestly, I dont know what happens in North Carolina, nor do I give crap.
But it seems this guy asked a question with no histility attached to it and you acted like he was some kind of jerk.
If I saw that happen and was concerned about something fishy I would ask.
So, thise leads to the more important point.
Are you sure that the suburbian votes got counted first ? What determines that ?
You would think actually that in urban areas and cities with higher concentrations of people would actually give more results quicker.
So, the guys question was legite and you really had little or no reason to sound off like some kind big winded know it all bully.
Jusy keeping you in check man
Jersey McJones said,
May 13, 2008 at 3:36 pm
I am right, but I was rude.
My apologies to all.
JMJ
micky2 said,
May 13, 2008 at 3:50 pm
O.K.
We got rude outta the way now.
What makes you right ? Or will you just ignore the question ?
Who knows, you might teach me something.
Jersey McJones said,
May 13, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Which question?
JMJ
micky2 said,
May 13, 2008 at 5:57 pm
PAY ATTENTION !!
LOL
micky2 said,
May 13, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Scroll up dude, theres only a couple, maybe three, its not a 200 comment thread
Jersey McJones said,
May 14, 2008 at 4:34 am
Micky, I wouldn’t even know where to beging citing such data. All I know is that I seen and participated in plenty of votes in my day and to deny what I’ve said would be just plain ludicrous.
And as for “arrogance” and Obama, there’s no way in low unholy h@ll that anyone can tell me that last night’s ridiculous spread didn’t represent deep racism in WV. I know it serves conservatives to believe that racism is no longer a tangible problem in America, but if this doesn’t bring you to a reality check, I don’t think anything ever will.
JMJ
micky2 said,
May 14, 2008 at 10:10 am
Yea right.
Just as thought.
You got nothin again. Just your word of authortiy.
The irony is amazing.
Whats that liberal motto you here evrywhere ?
Oh yea. ” Question authority!”
Well Jersey. You are always the authority on everything. And yet when you are questioned about how you come to conclusions or where you get your facts you get all bent out of shape or of course as we all have noticed, you have nothing reliable to draw from except expecting us to take your word for it.
Hilariously ridiculous.
If you wouldnt know where to cite such data how in the hell can you claim it to be fact !!??
Jersey McJones said,
May 14, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Micky,
jeez man.
JMJ
micky2 said,
May 14, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Jeez man what ? You wanna tell me I’m wrong?
Theres a diiference between debating/arguing/discussing and just banging on your chest , making empty statements and saying things that have no merit.
yonason said,
May 18, 2008 at 11:14 am
“You got nothin again. Just your word of authortiy.” — micky2, to JMJ
Once on a visit to the Philadelphia Zoo I saw an African America gent., about 6 foot plus and built like a football player, trying to keep up with his small but very oppositional son. As I approached him I smiled and said, “He’s two?” Exasperated, the fellow slowly nodded several times and said, “Yeah,” then continued after his, as I and my wife tried to keep up with ours.
That’s reminiscent of my exchange with JMJ about the existence of G-d, where he rejects tradition, reason/logic, science/data. What’s Left? The reason he doesn’t believe in G-d boils down to ” ‘Cause I don’t wanna!” From that, and his(?) responses on other threads, it appears he(?) is either a very smart “terrible-2″ toddler, or a not too bright adolescent. (And, if older, it only gets worse.)