Happy Chaka Khan!

December 4, 2007 at 10:31 am (POLITICS)

Happy Chaka Khan!

What can I say? For those who do not celebrate this lovely holiday, “I feel for you.” For those who truly want good things in life, the world truly does need “higher love.”

As the Hebrews get ready to celebrate the festival of lights, I shall use the next 8 days to either expand or drive away my audience, depending on any number of factors.

Both spellings of the holiday have 8 letters, so if you add a C, you subtract a K. It is Chanukah or Hanukkah.

http://www.tygrrrrexpress.com/2007/12/happy-chaka-khan/

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19 Comments

  1. micky2 said,

    שָׁלוֹם עֲלֵיכ

    I’m gonna buy stock in a company that makes those ribbons.

  2. Jersey McJones said,

    Jewish people are emigrating from Israel at 19,000-30,000 per year. That’s greater than the immigrating returners.

    I had a buddy who was a Latvian Jewish immigrant living in New Jersey. He decided to take his son to pilgrimage in Israel. I talked to him after he returned. He said, and I paraphrase, ‘I don’t know why anyone would want to live there. It’s hot, crowded, expensive, teaming with miserable second-class Arab citizens, and surrounded by murderous enemies.’ It’s a fair point. I sure as heck wouldn’t want to be there. And that gets to something you said – “…this oil lasting for 8 days is a bunch of mularkey.”

    In fact, the whole Zionist movement is a bunch of mularkey. They should never have bothered to return. There is no God, there is no special right to be there, there are no Chosen People, and yet people are willing to fight to the death up to prove all this one way or another. Israel was founded by terrorism and remains trapped in it’s clutches to this day. If I were Jewish, I’d live in the West, not the miserable Middle East. The Zionists chose a time in history when the Middle East is down on it’s luck, suffering tremendous turmoil, is gripped by religious fanaticism, and is entagled with colonialist powers. They coudn’t have picked a worse time.

    I like Jewish people as much as anyone else, I grew up with them, I worked with them, I dated them, they were and are my friends. But Israel is just a big, fat pain in the (redacted). I like the Chinese too, but I’m not a big fan of China. I like Persians, but not Iran. Now, I’m not saying that Israel is in and of itself comparable to Iran or China, but circumstances beyond the control of Israel cause the Middle Eastern situtation to be all the worse. And I don’t think it will get any better until that part of the world runs out of oil. If I were an Israeli, I’d move to America, or back to Europe, or Canada, or Australia – and I would never look back.

    JMJ

  3. micky2 said,

    JMJ wrote;
    “There is no God,”
    You really have no position to argue from Jersey.

    We dont have to prove the existance of our deity to you in order to make any points to you.
    You must take it upon yourself to have faith. And no one is asking you to swallow our beliefs.
    But you on the other hand claim something does not exist, and you believe that.
    If you think you can convince us all that you are right, then you can enter the debate with something substantial.
    But I believe more in the word of God than anything you say.

  4. Jersey McJones said,

    I can’t prove a negative, Micky. I can, however, say that I have never seen, felt, heard, tasted, or smelled God. All of my senses, which are the same as your’s, tell me that there is no God, or that if there is He’s completely ambivilant toward mankind. But to place lives and limbs in “faith” and “belief” instead of logic and good sense is to play Russian roulette with the fate of entire peoples. Foolish indeed.

    I am sympathetic to the Jewish people and the state of Israel. I understand why Israel came to be and who is to blame. I do not blame the Jewish people – I blame the anti-semitic Christian West. I strongly advise my Jewish friends to be careful with whom they choose as “friends.” The Christian Right is an enemy in friends clothing. Just ask Ann “We should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians” Coulter.

    JMJ

  5. micky2 said,

    JMJ said.
    “I can’t prove a negative, Micky. I can, however, say that I have never seen, felt, heard, tasted, or smelled God. All of my senses, which are the same as your’s, tell me that there is no God, ”

    Just because I didnt see the guy who built the bridge, doesnt mean he never existed.
    My sense of logic says that all this didnt just popcorn fart itself into existance. And that there is something going on a hell of a lot bigger than you or I.
    Yet you choose to believe in global warming and the junk science you say proves it.
    And you and your like are willing to play russian roulette with the fate of an entire people on that belief. By imposing hardships and alternative lifestyles on them.

    The logic in the cause and extent of gerbil warming can be applied by science, it is not a faith based prophecy or prediction, It is science. There are documents in history to PROVE the trend you and your like call global warming is just that, a trend.. Yet it is almost a religion in itself already. Al Gore is the Gerbil warming Pope.
    ——————————————————————————————————————–
    Check it out, see here > http://in.news.yahoo.com/071203/43/6nzdu.html
    Divorces contributing to global warming: study
    By IANS
    Monday December 3, 02:33 PM
    Sydney, Dec 3 (IANS) Increasing number of divorces are contributing to global warming, says a new study that suggests people should save their marriages to save the environment.
    After divorce a woman moves out and forms a new household. The study by researchers at the Michigan State University found that this leads to less efficient use of natural resources, more demand for land for housing, and higher expenditure on utilities, reported the online edition of News Australia.
    Researchers surveyed 3,283 homes in the US between 2001 and 2005.
    They found that households where couples divorced registered a 61 percent increase in the number of rooms per person, compared with a six percent increase in households where couples remained married.
    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Whats important is to remember that Israel is almost literally the center of the universe for the Jews. Thats the importance. Not your simplistic material view of things. Be it the weather or the people that live their or all the physical dynamics involved.

    My wife would like to visit for the spiritual aspect, not to live their. And I dont want her staying too long. But I can understand her need to be there at least once in her life.
    The Palestinians and the Jews could get along with ease if just one of the many rich Arab Nations would kick down some property for the Palestinians. But these Arab nations are hoping that by not helping the Palestinians things will fester to point where elimination of the Jews is justified by some obscure mistake they make one day. If there is no conflict, there is no chance of the Jews performing a percieved foul worthy of their annihilation. I believe that is why this has gone on the way has for the last 60 or so years.
    But if you cannot relate to or appreciate and respect the spiritual aspect of it , it makes no sense for you to try and debate it with other Christians or Jews.
    You say “if I were an Israeli” which you are not. Never mind Jewish, you are not expected to understand.

  6. Spree said,

    Shalom!! What a great piece, thanks for sharing this.

  7. Jersey McJones said,

    Micky,

    “Just because I didnt see the guy who built the bridge, doesnt mean he never existed.”

    But you can see the bridge. You can probably also find the architectural plans, the signature on the first stone, etc. You can see other bridges, and can watch other bridges being built. You can meet other bridge builders. And so on.

    “Yet you choose to believe in global warming and the junk science you say proves it.
    And you and your like are willing to play russian roulette with the fate of an entire people on that belief.”

    Micky, think here. I say, “AGCC may be real and we should do something about it.” That plays no Russian roulette at all, whatsoever. You say there is no AGCC so we should do nothing, which is playing Russian roulette. Get your logic straight.

    “By imposing hardships and alternative lifestyles on them.”

    Oh pl-ease.

    “Whats important is to remember that Israel is almost literally the center of the universe for the Jews.”

    I understand a lot more than you think I do, Micky. I also understand that religion is the scourge of mankind. All religion.

    JMJ

  8. micky2 said,

    JMJ said;
    “But you can see the bridge. You can probably also find the architectural plans, the signature on the first stone, etc. You can see other bridges, and can watch other bridges being built. You can meet other bridge builders. And so on. ”

    THAT IS PATHETICALLY WEAK !!!

    I can see other planets and all the things created. And I didnt need to meet the architecht or construction crew to know they built it.
    I can watch other life being built everyday. And I can watch some OBGYN rip it out.
    The blue prints are called DNA.

    JMJ said;
    “Micky, think here. I say, “AGCC may be real and we should do something about it.” That plays no Russian roulette at all, whatsoever. You say there is no AGCC so we should do nothing, which is playing Russian roulette. Get your logic straight. ”

    No, you get one thing straight. My logic is perfect.
    I have faith in a deity.
    You have faith in crappy scirnce.
    TWO totally different things.

    You say; Oh pl-ease. (care to back that up somehow ?)
    I am not shoving my beliefs down your throat by imposing enviromental regulations and impositions and recycling and gas prices and paying for EPA imposed implementations on everything from bubble gum to our cars, and ethanol robbing people at the market and the freaking list goes on and on and on…
    So give me a break and wise up to the adult world of people who actually process more than one thought at a time . We are not as stupid as you wish to believe.

    Why not prepare for a metorite that could wipe us all out ? And sell us all shelters ?
    Why not prepare for an invasion of 50 ft, jelly fish ? And sell us all battleships ?
    Why not prepare for an Ice age (didnt work , remember?) and sell us all tickets to a planet that hasnt proven to support life ?
    Wanna buy a bridge ?
    Maybe the Scientologists mothership will come get us all ? Better get ready !
    Better get ready for anything, what do we have to lose ? Accept a normal life.

    I am not imposing anything of my faith on you whatsoever. But you and your gang want to shove a slew of things on me that you profess are the right thing to do, EVEN MY SPEECH !

    Religion is not the scurge, it is the organized religion which is a scurge.
    As much as any organization with a movement.
    But it does not have a thing to do with spirituality.
    But it does not have a thing to do with spirituality.
    And since you have never had a spiritual experience, you dont simply dont know what you are talking about any more than I would expect you to understand

  9. Jersey McJones said,

    I said, “But you can see the bridge. You can probably also find the architectural plans, the signature on the first stone, etc. You can see other bridges, and can watch other bridges being built. You can meet other bridge builders. And so on. ”

    To wit you said, “THAT IS PATHETICALLY WEAK !!!,” and then went on to state the obvious. What you don’t understand is that what you may see as design in nature other people see as obvious things. Obviously adapted, evolved, lucky things.

    “I am not shoving my beliefs down your throat by imposing enviromental regulations and impositions and recycling and gas prices and paying for EPA imposed implementations on everything from bubble gum to our cars, and ethanol robbing people at the market and the freaking list goes on and on and on…”

    Somehow I doubt you actually suffer for the cause of environmental quality. Granted, you may disagree with the premise, but just the same all those who would truly “suffer” can easily afford it.

    “Why not prepare for a metorite that could wipe us all out ?”

    Why not?

    “And sell us all shelters ?”

    But then why would we need shelters?

    “Why not prepare for an invasion of 50 ft, jelly fish ? And sell us all battleships ?’

    i thought that was why we buy battleships!

    “Why not prepare for an Ice age (didnt work , remember?) and sell us all tickets to a planet that hasnt proven to support life ?”

    Because that would be wierd.

    “Wanna buy a bridge ?”

    In Alaska?

    “Maybe the Scientologists mothership will come get us all ? Better get ready !
    Better get ready for anything, what do we have to lose ? Accept a normal life.”

    Are you a Scientologist? Oh no, that’s right… you’re a Christian. Whatever.

    “I am not imposing anything of my faith on you whatsoever.”

    Are you sure about that?

    “But you and your gang want to shove a slew of things on me that you profess are the right thing to do, EVEN MY SPEECH !”

    Like what?

    “Religion is not the scurge, it is the organized religion which is a scurge.”

    Yeah right. “When you believe in the things that you don’t understand then you suffer” – Stevie Wonder. It doesn’t matter if the silly thing is organized or not, it’s still silly. Heck, organized silliness can be all the more silly – like the Marx Brothers. (disclaimer – I love the Marx Brothers!)

    “But it does not have a thing to do with spirituality.”

    I agree, but only pedantically, I admit. Mysticism and spirituality, as in of the Eastern and some aboriginal types, are valid and tangible excersizes and experiences of the mind. I see litte spirituality and mysticism in Western monotheology – especially today. I see the “personal relationship with God” and “prosperity theology” as convenient, atheological, utterly subjective forms of religion. I see little room in the synopyic texts of the Bible for spirituality and mysticism. I see less room every day.

    “And since you have never had a spiritual experience,…”

    You are truly mistaken with that statement. I’ve had amazing spiritual experiences. I just don’t need Big Momma/Poppa God to to arouse my imagination.

    “… you dont simply dont know what you are talking about any more than I would expect you to understand”

    Again, I understand more than you know.

    JMJ

  10. lemare said,

    I saw an article about “Green Hanukkah” and thought of you. I wrote a little blurb about my thoughts: http://inrareform.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/save-the-world-pitch-your-menorah/

  11. micky2 said,

    JMJ wrote;
    “Somehow I doubt you actually suffer for the cause of environmental quality. Granted, you may disagree with the premise, but just the same all those who would truly “suffer” can easily afford it.

    Its not for you or your buddies to decide, and yes , we are suffering. I have to come up with an extra 120.00 a month to feed my gang. And its coming out of my sons college funds.

    “Why not ” seems to be the reasoning behind most liberal thinking. This attitide failed miserably in the 60s. But you guys never learn.
    Maybe we should plan in case we collide with the moon? Why not ?
    That would be entirely too many moonbats.

    And I would like you to give me an example where I have imposed my beliefs(spiritual) on you.

    JMJ wrote;
    “Yeah right. “When you believe in the things that you don’t understand then you suffer.

    I have done extensive research on organized religion. And it is responsable for alot of terrible things. But the individual like myself who is not a member of any religious organization is of no consequence to the world.
    see here > http://micky2.wordpress.com/2007/07/16/my-journy-away-from-religion-and-towards-god/#respond

    So telling me I dont understand by quoting Stevie Wonder is of little relevance.

    PC is eating away at our free speech.

    http://paralleldivergence.com/2006/10/21/will-pc-destroy-the-world/
    OK, maybe it’s not a disaster if we can’t tell “Irish” jokes anymore. But when they extend the exact same concept and restrictions to Childcare workers, they are directly targeting the future of society. According to new rules, you can’t say “no” to pre-school children. Yes, that’s right. Childcare workers have been instructed not to use the words “no” and “don’t” because it is feared they will stunt a child’s development and the terms “good boy” and “good girl” are also frowned on as they are considered sexist. The word used to teach children the basic difference between right and wrong is being banned – at the earliest stage of learning.

    I arouse my own imagination with my God givin free will and curiosities.

    JMJ wrote;
    Again, I understand more than you know.’

    You think so ? Have read my mind once again Mr. McJones ?

  12. greg said,

    Eric, I appreciated your piece but disagree with some of the history and with one of your conclusions. First, the Greeks did not destroy the first holy temple, or even the second temple. The Babylonians were responsible the first time in 586 BCE. The temple was rebuilt around 516 BCE and destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE.

    Hanukkah celebrates the rededication of the second temple after being desecrated (but not destroyed) by the Seleucids, who were as much Syrian as they were Greek in an empire that stretched as far east as modern-day Afghanistan. Many modern scholars now believe that the issue that led to the desecration of the temple, the oppression of Jews, and, ultimately, the revolt was a little more complicated than the Seleucids suddenly deciding to force assimilation. The Jews had been living in substantial autonomy for many years under the Seleucid Empire, which was a common practice throughout the Empire. The actions that led to the revolt were prompted by the Seleucids taking sides in an escalating power struggle among the Jews – between those Jews that wanted assimilation into Seleucid society and those Jews that did not.

    The true lesson of Hanukkah is not that force works, but exactly the opposite. The Seleucids were far bigger and more powerful than the Jews in almost every respect, but the revolt prevailed because the two factions within Judaism united against a more direct and common enemy, namely the Seleucids. Even the pro-assimilation Jewish faction that supposedly benefitted from the Seleucids taking their side found their Jewish identity to outweigh political expediency.

    The parallels to the modern situation can be found in the United States taking sides in the civil war in Iraq between Sunnis and Shiites, not to mention the Kurds. It’s the reason a small country like Afghanistan caused so much trouble for the Soviet Union, why a small country like Vietnam caused so much trouble for the French and then the United States, and why there is so much trouble in Iraq today. The US can exert massive military force and create some successes here and there, but cannot translate military success into political stability.

    Shalom.

  13. micky2 said,

    Its all about not tolerating the multi culturism the Greeks were imposing Greg.
    Period.

  14. greg said,

    Somehow I expected more of a response but if that’s the best you’ve got, so be it.

  15. charly martel said,

    Jersey,

    You call religion a scourge, but God gives men a choice between good and evil. You can’t complain when terrible things happen after man chooses evil over and over again. You show ignorance in your very choice of words. Scourge means to whip. Actually religion should be a scourge to keep people from choosing evil for fear of hellfire (or losing one’s place at G-d’s side.)

    You show ignorance in your very choice of words. Scourge means a (n.)whip or to (v.)whip. Actually religion should be a scourge to keep people from choosing evil for fear of hellfire (or losing one’s place at G-d’s side.) You call religion a scourge, but God gives men a choice between good and evil. You can’t complain when terrible things happen after man chooses evil over and over again.

    Your bridge analogy falls of its own weight. All of creation is here and visible and includes and will outlast the bridge you stare at so myopically. Too bad you can’t read the signature.

    I admit to being troubled by organized religion. It’s too easy for me to believe that some men would rather live by the sweat of someone else’s brow rather than their own. The Goracle is no exception. I have no idea how rich he’s getting by selling carbon credits, but I have faith he’s not doing his schtick for free, any more than Oral Roberts did.

  16. micky2 said,

    Expectations will always get the best of you Greg.
    We had no power today. So I listened to Michael Medved for two hours explain in detail the myths and truths surrounding Hannukah.
    And so my explanation is condensed and concise.

    Thank you Charly, sometimes we need a break from the kids by letting someone else deal with them. Patience is not one of my best qualities.

  17. greg said,

    Just went and read Medved’s blog post. Assuming what he said on the radio is what he wrote, I’d say my analogy to the situation in modern day Iraq is right on.

  18. micky2 said,

    You’re wrong on Hannukah

  19. micky2 said,

    Greg said;
    “It’s the reason a small country like Afghanistan caused so much trouble for the Soviet Union, why a small country like Vietnam caused so much trouble for the French and then the United States.

    Some recent history lessons would reveal that geographics and terrain in these areas were the single greatest obstacles for the US, and for both the US and the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

    In Iraq we had to worry about the innoocents. In Viet Nam it was the jungle. In Afghanistan the caves and mountains.
    I know some libs would like to find fault with military force for whatever assinine reasons they can come up with, but no one ever said it was the cure all in Iraq or Afghanistan. It was and is the front line to provide stability so that political stability can begin.
    Whether or not the Iraqis can get it together is to be seen.
    The surge is working, period. The facts display this.
    But I do agree that the Iraqi Parliament is a lame duck. But we cant just leave them. Nor do we ever have any intention of doing so. That is the pill that the public cant swallow. Which why Bush junior had use to another valid case for going in.
    After 911 we had to set up camp somewhere in Ithe middle east. And with all of Saddams violations it was the perfect excuse.
    Hearts and minds ! My ass !
    We went in because we needed to have a watch tower. We are presently building an embassy in Iraq larger than any college campus in the United States. That in itself should explain everything.
    The action against Saddam after the Gulf war had to appear to give him the benefit of the doubt and apply a little diplomacy so that when he does screw up really bad we had a just reason for removing him. The world was a different animal in the 80s and 90s before 911. Kuwaut was a diplomatic benfit of the doubt and the Jihadist threat was not what it was today. Gassing the Kurds, shooting at our jets hundreds and hundreds of times, and paying suicide bombers to go to Afghanistan was the three last straws.
    But like I said, Clintons a wussy. I will give Bill credit in certain areas, but not defense. Bush is picking up after him and in my opinion his father also and as far back as Carters administration. We should of bitch slapped these gapingholes a long time ago.

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