Hillary Clinton, Meet Joey Tempest

February 27, 2008 at 10:08 am (MUSIC, POLITICS)

Hillary Clinton, Meet Joey Tempest of Europe.




  1. chris naron said,

    Okay, you just cemented your membership in the Man Club. Anyone who can root for the Raiders and admit to being a fan of Europe without flinching is a Man. Shameless GOP cheerleading be damned.

    BTW, when I saw Europe live in the late 80s, all the guys in the audience had nothing but gratitude for those guys. You won’t see the same kind of talent at, say, a Slipknot show.

  2. Prose Before Hos said,

    I mean, people have access to health care in America. They can just go to the emergency room.
    – President Bush in a 2007 White House Briefing

  3. Jersey McJones said,

    Europe was a talented band, no doubt. Not my personal favorite, but very catchy and well-produced. Bands were a lot more talented back in those days.

    The Indepence Party is not anti-semitic. That’s just silly. That whole anti-semitic tag came from a remark made by party member Lenora Fulani like 20 years ago that was highly critical of Israel. The IP itself has lots of Jewish members, has often endorsed Jewish pols, and is the biggest third party in New York by far. This is yet another example of the irrational vitriol rampant in the Israel debate.

    The debate last night was definitely slanted against Hillary. She took several cheap shots from Russert. She won the debate on the substance, but lost big-time on style, as usual. It was a rather pathetic display.

    And that stupid National Journal rating is a joke. It was based on a period when Obama was running full-time and missed a pile of votes. Obama realistically ranks much lower on the “liberal” scale. Only a moron would think the man is more liberal than Bernie Sanders, Ron Widen, or Russ Feingold, just to mention a few.

    What an insipid media we have indeed.

    And as a perfect but sad segway – William F Buckley just died. So goes one of the last class acts of the professional Republican punditry. God speed Bill.


  4. micky2 said,

    I doubt that we’ll see the class and integrity in Hillary that Mit Romney showed when he realized for the sake of the party and country that it was time to bail.

    And to all those out there that debated me on the media bias issue.
    Kiss my keister.
    Even the media is pointing out now how the media is biased.
    Every channel is now pointing out the medias promotoing of Obama using more than just subliminal tactics.
    But we also have to realize that Hillary brings alot of the negative attention upon herself with her constant narcissistic whining
    Still, today, I have not heard one thing out of either of them that is a viable solution or approach to the middle east. One is a flat out liar, the other is clueless.

  5. Jersey McJones said,

    “But we also have to realize that Hillary brings alot of the negative attention upon herself with her constant narcissistic whining.”

    This is just misogyny in action. When Hillary speaks, she’s “whining” and “cackling,” when a male candidate speaks they are “showing strength” and “battling.” When Hillary runs for office she is called “self-serving” and “narcissistic,” when a male runs he is called a “patriot” and holding to a “cause.”

    Hillary is just a mainstream pol. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just being foolish.


  6. Eagle6 said,

    Eric, Nice recap. It’s like comparing a smoothie to grape nuts – except that I’m not sure the grape nuts in this case would be much better for us than the smoothie. Having said that, I am less scared of Hillary and her supporters than I am of Obama and his Obra-moonies. She is definitely trying too hard, and the sad thing is, they are so close together on their issues that it really does come down to likeability, who can unify, and who can screw the most money out of working Americans without their realizing it.

    Prose: President Bush is right – check out almost any hospital anywhere, and you’ll see an emergency room filled with uninsured citizens (and others) who have access to health care. Granted, they may have to wait several hours, but it’s better than the Canadian system which has a 10 month wait for maternity care…

  7. micky2 said,

    You can refer to me as foolish all you want.
    But I’m 50 years old and I’ve met a lot of women who hold themselves up very well in corporate positions with being self centerd and always eluding to talking points that reflect on nothing but herself.
    When she does this she always sets her self up to be labeled such as I did.
    This opinion of mine is warranted by the realization that I pointed to earlier that she doesnt have the class or genuine concern for anything but her own appearance, she will not quit gracefully. And on that issue the media will beat her up some more, and she’ll whine about that when it happens. Her personality can do nothing other than create a snowball headed for hell.
    I have also never in my life seen a female candidate that is as self absorbing and devisively disengenuous as Hillary.
    I’m not refering to any of her physical attributes such as her cackle.

    Anyone who thinks that Hillary, a former first lady at the center of more controversy than any other female in political history is just another pol is absolutly a fool.

  8. Eagle6 said,

    Micky, Not sure whether your above post is directed at me or not – I didn’t say I support her, nor did I imply that she has anything good to offer. The message is, she is a known entity – we see her warts, we’ve lived through her early years as a lawyer, the Whitewater controversy, her wonderful investment expertise, her book, “It takes a village idiot”, and healthcare to name a few…and I submit that it’s a whole lot easier to battle against her than it is against an unknown quantity who won’t stoop to snake oil but is selling moondust instead.

  9. Jersey McJones said,


    “Prose: President Bush is right – check out almost any hospital anywhere, and you’ll see an emergency room filled with uninsured citizens (and others) who have access to health care.”

    Yeah, at like 10 times the cost. The mergency is supposed to be a last resort, not a GP’s office.

    “Granted, they may have to wait several hours, but it’s better than the Canadian system which has a 10 month wait for maternity care…”

    That’s a lie based on a spurrious anecdote.


    “I have also never in my life seen a female candidate that is as self absorbing and devisively disengenuous as Hillary.”

    You should get out more.


  10. micky2 said,

    Eagle, I’m sorry.
    It was meant for JMJ.

    I’ve been all over this country Jersey. Just because I can see right through her doesnt make me any more of a fool than you.
    She could learn alot from the composure and character of ladies in politics such as Condoleeza Rice and Madeline Albright. These ladys manage to face confrontation and adverse situations with more class than she will ever be able to come up with.
    A good portion of the country who is not half as informed as you or I still sees her much in the same light as I do. And it is for that reason alone why she is tanking.
    If the country saw her reactions the same as that of any other pol, male or female she would not have the stigma over her head that she has created.
    I detect a little feminist sympathy and bias coming from you if she isnt reckognized by you as a self ceterd whiney female dog in heat.

  11. Eagle6 said,

    Jersey, I’m not sure what a “spurrious (sic) anecdote” is, but it is obvious you still don’t know what tongue-in-cheek humor is. Lighten up. You mentioned earlier that you write to make a difference, and being a self-described liberal, you offered that you go on conservative sites so you CAN make a difference. It should be intuitively obvious to the casual observer that in order to make a difference, one might consider seeking common ground first, identify where the differences are, and working on those differences. On the contrary, from my very first post, you called me insane and said you would bury, and little has changed since then. Most conservatives understand wry wit – and I am still chuckling at the one fellow who Snope a Doped a “spurious anecdote” I wrote about Hillary and some elementary school kids… From the picture you’ve posted, you must not take yourself too seriously, so please offer the same consideration to others – I’m not a rabid right wing arms dealer who wants to neuter all liberals… just the males.

  12. Eagle6 said,

    Micky, No problem – and in honor of some of your better rants, I should have said, “he’s selling moondust to moonbats”…

  13. Jersey McJones said,

    Oh, then sorry Eagle. There is a popular myth out there about a woman who couldn’t get a maternity bed way out in the Canadian back country for ten months and ended up here to give birth to her quads. The story is not entirely true, and is a rather odd anecdote that could be applied to any similar situation, even here in the US.

    As for your personal critique, to quote Hillary, “whatever.”

    Micky, I stand by what I said.


  14. micky2 said,

    Yea Jersey, When valley girls are at a loss for words the say ” whatever”.

    You may stand by what you say. But you might stand to learn a lesson from the majority of this country that feel exactly as I do.
    If she wants to play with the big boys, then shut up and play or get outta the way.
    Shes a cry baby. Bashing Bush at the end of almost every statement in the debate just before this one.
    Comparing Obamas fliers to Carl Roves techniques the day after I thought she was going to hump him on stage. Crying on que. Bragging about her husbands accomplisments as if they were hers. Flopping on the war issue. Bragging about failed endeavors as if they were successful. They laughed at her in China.
    And constantly, constantly propping her ole man up in front of the world as if he is an exaple of her abilities.
    The whole thing is sickening and yet she walks around holding this false display of pride and achievement. When really, compared to any of the other candidates who have bowed out only because they are not so self absored she has little to no experience or accomplisments to brag about as they do.
    Jeez, even Ron Paul and Ralph Nader have a better resume` than her and they dont walk around banging their own drum till the country hates them.

  15. Jersey McJones said,

    If I had a dime for every pol that could be descrided the same way, I’d be a millionaire. The hatred of Hillary is irrational, misogynistic nonsense.


  16. micky2 said,

    I was right. Jersey thinks like other hypersensative feminists that we hate her just because shes a girl.
    Now, if I had a dime for every cheap excuse like that I would be a millionaire.
    Thats what the left does. They have to use some excuse other than the fact that the person themselves on their own merit is a failure.
    I dont care if she is a gay and black spanish speaking hermaphrodite Jersey !

    Shes a bad person.

  17. Jersey McJones said,

    Nice try Micky. My point is simple – She’s obviously not all that bad of a person. Obviously. There’s a heck of a lot worse out there, and she’d certainly be better than what we have now.


  18. micky2 said,

    She has been caught in the middle of more crap than Bush could ever manage even if he tried.
    She is not that good of a person either. You’re best defense of her is the assumption that I’m some kind of misogynist. When I have chopped her up on her own merits or lack of should I say is weak.
    She has a failing track record that is a mile long filled with more questions than answers.
    Because she wont answer them.
    And please tell me . What is it about her that “obviously” makes her ” not that bad a person” ?
    Being a snake has become “obvious” to almost half the country.

  19. Eagle6 said,

    Jersey, You are right – I have no right to make “personal critiques” on this forum….unless I’m picking on politicians or actors/actresses who are fair game by profession…

  20. micky2 said,

    A while back I showed you a list Of GWBs accomplisments in just one year.
    I would love to see if she could even come close to that in the last 8 of her years. I’ll even let you throw in her stint as the first lady. She will lose ! Hands down next to Bush anyday.
    Come on Jersey ! I’m calling you out. Put up or shut up.
    I would rather do a debate with facts instead of slinging opinions back and forth

    Without all the questions about taxs and papers in the Clinton library that no one can see for another year lets just look at the money in the last year.
    Heres a guide to the unsavory characters who have been associated with Hillary Clinton.

    Norman Hsu, Hong Kong “apparel executive.

    Hsu bundled more than $850,000 for Hillary’s presidential campaign and $260,000 for Clinton’s Senate races.

    Hsu parlayed his charming, obsequious personality into a spot as one of the top twenty Democratic fund-raisers nationwide. Problem is, he turned out to be a convicted felon, on the lam since 1992 due to a grand theft conviction. Then, this December, Hsu was indicted for running a pyramid scheme that defrauded investors out of at least $20 million and that made $25,000 a year in fraudulent political donations.

    THE SLEAZE FACTOR (on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 somewhat sleazy and 10 stupendously so)
    8. Hsu missed his initial (September 5) court date for the 1992 grand theft charge, only to be apprehended a day later on a train in Colorado; he was “freaked out,” shirtless, shoeless, and holding a suitcase packed with Tiffany jewelry and $7,000 in cash. Now in federal custody, he confessed to running “phony” companies and leaning on investors to make political donations.

    THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS (on a scale of 1 to 10)
    7. Extensive Hsu coverage stretched out over several news cycles during Hillary’s presidential campaign, and the sordid details of the affair–the pyramid schemes, the links to Asian gangs, the eccentric professional con artist himself–stirred up memories of Clinton fund-raising scandals past. Hillary blamed the fiasco on errors in the donor-screening process.

    Marc Rich, fugitive American businessman; Denise Rich, songwriter and socialite.

    Denise Rich contributed $70,000 to Hillary’s Senate campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund.

    Over seventeen years after Marc Rich fled to Switzerland to avoid charges of racketeering, illegal trading, and tax evasion (he owed $48 million), Bill Clinton pardoned Rich during his last moments in the White House. His ex-wife Denise’s generous donations and Friend of Bill status gave the pardon a particularly rotten stench.

    7.5. Rich has been accused of a long list of white-collar crimes. The classiest: trading with Iran while the country was still holding U.S. hostages.

    9.5. As Hillary began her career in the Senate, a media frenzy and investigations in both houses of Congress and the Justice Department were launched to see if Denise’s contributions bought her ex-husband’s pardon. Though the president was never indicted for wrongdoing, the Rich affair is often mentioned as Exhibit A of Clintonian sliminess.

    Aaron Tonken, former Hollywood fund-raiser, current federal penitentiary inmate in California.

    In 2000 he hosted a fund-raiser that took in more than $1 million for Hillary Clinton’s Senate campaign.

    Tonken originally drew interest from the FBI for failing to report some donations from the event to the FEC. Although he was never charged for election-law violations, in 2003 he pleaded guilty to stealing from charities, including, according to an ABC News report, the Betty Ford clinic. He is currently serving a five-year sentence for mail and wire fraud.

    9. The self-described con man got his start in Hollywood as Zsa Zsa Gabor’s dog keeper. He sold stories about her to tabloids and snuck tourists into her dilapidated, dog feces-ridden mansion while she was out of town. In his memoir, King of Cons, Tonken wrote, “In a land of moral imbeciles, I knew I could be king.”

    4. A fund-raising committee for Hillary Clinton’s 2000 campaign had to pay $35,000 in fines to the FEC for underreporting the costs of the gala, even though a federal inquiry failed to find any culpability on the Clintons’ part. The financial burden to the Clinton campaign was insignificant–the real harm done was in the image of guilt by association.

    Peter F. Paul, renaissance man, jack of all trades.

    He co-hosted the 2000 fund-raiser with Tonken.

    How did Paul underwrite the gala? According to The Washington Post, by improperly borrowing more than $4 million from Merrill Lynch. Shortly after that was discovered, Paul hopped a plane to Brazil and spent years waging a two-front war: fighting extradition and trying to sue Hillary for underreporting the value of the event. In 2003, Paul was extradited to the U.S., and Clinton agreed to pay a $35,000 fine to the Federal Election Commission.

    9.5. You’ve gotta give this guy credit for flamboyance. According to The Washington Post, Paul’s laundry list of crimes includes a 1970s plot to sell $8.75 million worth of nonexistent coffee beans to Fidel Castro–the plan was to sink an empty cargo ship before it reached Cuba so he could keep the cash. In 1979, he was imprisoned for fraud and cocaine possession, then later violated parole, reportedly fleeing to Canada with a dead man’s identity. After his release from prison in the ’80s, he served as partner and manager to Fabio.

    4. Hillary offered the same explanation for missing Paul’s criminal background as she gave for missing Norman Hsu’s: technical errors in the vetting process. It worked–by 2008, most Americans have forgotten about Peter F. Paul.

    Sant S. Chatwal, founder of Bombay Palace restaurants.

    In 2000, Chatwal hosted a half-million dollar fund-raiser for Clinton in New York. In 2007, he declared his intentions to raise $5 million for Hillary’s presidential campaign.

    According to The Washington Post, as of September 2007, The IRS was pursuing him for $4 million in back taxes, the State of New York for another $5 million, and the FDIC is suing himin connection with a failed bank venture. The Post wrote, “Yet none of the legal and financial woes–occasionally touched on in American or Indian newspapers or highlighted by political opponents–raised red flags inside Hillary Clinton’s fund-raising operation.”

    4. Though Chatwal’s legal troubles span several suits and two continents (he’s also been charged with bank fraud in India), his alleged crimes lack the color and imagination of, say, a Peter F. Paul.

    1. So far, none. But if any of the lawsuits against him come to a head during election season, the timing would be awful for Clinton.

    International Profit Associates (IPA), an Illinois-based management consulting and business development company.

    Bill Clinton pocketed $125,000 for addressing IPA workers in December 2001. The Chicago Sun-Times reported that firm employees have forked over nearly $130,000 in contributions to Hillary’s Senate campaigns since 2000.

    IPA has faced a string of scandals–most notably, a widely reported sexual harassment suit involving 113 former female employees. Two of them told their stories on a 2005 episode of “Oprah Winfrey Show.”

    8.5. The harassment suit included accusations that the CEO offered money to a female employee in exchange for sex and that a sales manager would pin female employees up against the wall and ask if they enjoyed intercourse.

    3. Though never a large-scale national scandal, it doesn’t look good that Hillary has, in effect, shrugged off what the lead attorney for the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (the federal agency leading the investigation) called one of the “most egregious case of sex harassment that the Chicago district office has seen.” Senator Clinton–unlike other politicians who received campaign donations from IPA employees, such as Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich and Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle–has opted not to return the contributions.

  21. micky2 said,

  22. Jersey McJones said,

    Okay Eagle.

    Micky, we can trade lists all you like, but when we compare them we would find they are quite bipartisan in nature. That is why I am neither a democrat nor a republican. But in the end, in reality, we are still stuck with the partisan choices we have. With that in mind, Hillary Clinton is not all that terrible a choice. Me? I’d like a Kucinich administration. You? You want Super Reagan, dug from the grave and made bigger, faster and stronger, with super Reagan Rhetoric Breath. But never will either happen. You can’t seriously, with a straight face get into a list-of-scandal war comparing Hillary with Bush or any of the late GOP majority characters.


  23. micky2 said,

    “You can’t seriously, with a straight face get into a list-of-scandal war comparing Hillary with Bush or any of the late GOP majority characters.”

    Straight and firm bro, all day long.
    You dont pay attention too well. I have expressed my liberal points of view many times.
    So spare me the Reagan connection even though I still think he was a great man I am all for drug legalization as the war on drugs has proven to be more costly than it was ever worth. I am pro immigration as long its within the laws that already exist.
    I do believe the war in Iraq was executed poorly, but that has changed, dramatically. And I till think it was the right thing to do like almost every lib on the hill 6 years ago.
    I have stuck to my convictions. I cant say that for them.

    If both lists were deemed bi partisan well so be it, then you cant say it wouldnt be a fair fight.
    I have made a commitment as a conservative only because its what I believe in being what holds the country together better than those who cant commit such as yourself and are constantly bringing up the issues that are not important that serve only to divide the country.
    You just threw the gender card into the play when discussing Hillary.
    I was treating her just like one of the boys but you had to throw in some hypersensative feminist crap that had nothing to do with my opinion of her.
    If anyone is playing the gender card its you and her. She whines about being beat up on because she is a woman. And you use some supposed hatred I have towards women as a defense for her.
    Pathetic and weak, thats what that is


    […] The Tygrrrr Express has an excellent roundup of the recent debate between Clinton and Obama. He goes through it point by point and adds this final comment: Obama was cool, calm and collected. Hillary was angry, shrill, combative…she was basically herself at her worst. She blamed the moderators, Obama, President Bush, and everybody but the one person that is responsible for her failure to be more likable…herself. […]

  25. Jersey McJones said,

    No, Micky, I was simply pointing out how Hillary is often negatively “feminized” when she is attacked from her more petty detractors. I don’t care if you go after her or anyone else on the issues, but when you employ sleazy, personalized tactics, I find it offensive. I think Bush is dumb as a stone, but that’s not what I have against him. It’s his crooked administration that puts me off.


  26. micky2 said,

    Still, my point remains true and firm.
    You chickened out on debating the issues and used a presumtive act of bigotry on my part to chalk the whole arguement up as foolish.
    I never referd to anything having to do with sex or feminism untill you called me foolish and a misogynist.
    Plain and simple , read your own writing.
    And when your petty accusations didnt work you bailed and chickend out once again and failed to want to engage in a debate on the issues saying the lists would be bi partisan. But you know I like to argue facts and not opnion like you. So you ran when I suggested we argue facts. You would rather argue on the emotional level and bringing the debate down to the sleaziest of sleaze and accuse me of being bigoted somehow.
    Thats what the left does. When a person fails on their own merits , right away you guys start making excuses based on gender or race.
    Now we all know why these morons cant figure out why race is always an issue and cant ever get put on the back burner.
    Because the left wont let it go away.
    IUts the what they think s the best defense when they cant actually argue a position intelligently.
    God ! Its happened to me so many times.
    Illegal aliens, I’m a racist. Feminist acting like jerks , and I’m a misogynist. If I dont vote for a black man who is unqualified I’m a racist. If I think a hetero family is better for a childs upbringing than a gay family I’m bigot homophobe.
    You people who use these tactics are truly the bigots when you assume all these things about everyone else

  27. Jersey McJones said,

    I’ll debate Hillary v McCain any time on the issues. The war, healthcare, eductaion, investment, infrastructure, agriculture, immigration whatever. Let’s put aside the vitriol and really go at the issues. That would be cool.

    Take the war. What would Hillary do? I would posit that it would be rather similar to the status quo. She would try to pull a Nixon, win it or lose it, and come out clean (well…).

    Take the AMT. I posit that Hillary or McCain would reform the AMT immediately. I think the GOP will stand against it to highlight political differences.

    Take anything you want. But stop calling people whiners. That’s playground talk.


  28. micky2 said,

    Looks whos talking about playground talk !
    The fact of the matter is that neither one of these candidates ( Obama, Hillary) are talking about the issues.
    How does anyone know what Hillary or Obama would do ?
    All they’re doing is taking pot shots at each other.
    What ? Phased redeployment ? Start packing up in 90 days ? Big deal. We’ve heard that from congress a hundred times this year. We all know thats BS.
    No one is going to leave Iraq untill we can.
    And I can call people whiners all I want whether you like it or not.
    This whiney behavior defines character of the worst kind that I do not want in our oval office.
    At least Bush has the decency not to blame everyone around him for everything.
    Just as you on the left make up false accusations of bigotry because you wont just admitt the lady is a whiner.
    Instead my statement was categorized as ” Hating or distrusting women”


  29. Jersey McJones said,

    Get with the times, Micky. The issues are engaged. Stop pretending they don’t exist and try taking them on.


  30. micky2 said,

    “This is just misogyny in action. When Hillary speaks, she’s “whining” and “cackling,” when a male candidate speaks they are “showing strength” and “battling.” When Hillary runs for office she is called “self-serving” and “narcissistic,” when a male runs he is called a “patriot” and holding to a “cause.”

    This is the base of this debate.
    If you want to play chicken hopscotch and claim that I am not on issue , so be it. You just look like a fool.

    Hillary is running a negative campaign. She is moaning and bitching about everyone and thing
    Theres is nothing Misogynistic about my calling her a whiner.
    I do not hate or distrust women.
    You cannot prove that Bush is a comlete and total failure.
    You refuse to even try.
    Hillarys accomplisments are nothing compared to Bush.
    This is provable fact that you run from.
    In the last week her and Obama have had more spats over the dunbest crap that are non issues.
    Plagury, speechs, fliers, the media is unfair, I always get the first question. The skys will open and celestial choirs will sing.
    The issue here is that she will not engage the issues, and it is that particular point of mine that you cannot refute.
    You would rather talk about McCain, the war ( I kick your butt on that always), education, or anything else but the issue at hand because you know I’ll mop the floor with you.
    Go ahead and play your games all you want. I called you and you ran.
    Do you remember this ?
    “A while back I showed you a list Of GWBs accomplisments in just one year.
    I would love to see if she could even come close to that in the last 8 of her years. I’ll even let you throw in her stint as the first lady. She will lose ! Hands down next to Bush anyday.
    Come on Jersey ! I’m calling you out. Put up or shut up.
    I would rather do a debate with facts instead of slinging opinions back and forth”

    THAT ! Is what we were talking about.
    And it was that which you will not do because you will lose !

  31. greg said,

    So, yeah, it does appear at this point that Hillary is on her last legs. We’ll know for sure on March 4. But the amazing thing is that the so-called aging rocker living in the past just raised $35 million dollars in one month. If the candidate who has lost 11 straight primaries and is supposedly going down in flames can raise that kind of money (not to mention the $50 million Obama raised as well), if I were John McCain I’d be crapping my pants.

  32. micky2 said,

    I think it only means that he’ll be facing one or the other.
    By now it appears that the two dems have maybe maxed out thier finacial sources.
    How long can they perform this drain ?
    With McCain showing more promise everyday I think he’ll soon start to bring in some revenues at a much more strategic point in the campaign

  33. Jersey McJones said,

    “Hillarys accomplisments are nothing compared to Bush.”

    Exactly. Unlike Bush, Hillary is not an abject failure. Bush ruined his party, and now, as Greg points up, the GOP can’t even raise money anymore. Even usual GOP contributers are giving to Obama and Hillary now. The only way the conservatives can beat her is to lie about her and to feminize her for the consumption of misogynists.


  34. micky2 said,

    That is an unrealistic statement since hillary has never had one iota of the responsability that Bush has had.
    But she does have a rather dismal track record as far any accomplisments go. which I listed already.
    Its quite obvious still that you would rather debate on opinions other than the truth.
    But the cold hard facts are this.
    Bush has done more for this country in one year than she has in her entire life, simply because he is in a position to be able to do so. A position that if she obtains it in my opinion will be the worst and most dangerous presidency we have ever seen.
    Alot of whatever funds are left out there right now are going to be wasted on one of two dem candidates before the general.
    On the other hand we see conservatives and liberal conservatives and a whole lotta leftys such as Jersey moving to McCain. That movement is only in its beggining stages and will grow when McCain actually starts to debate the dem nominee.
    He will mop the floor with either one of them.

  35. micky2 said,

    Oh, and Jersey. Spare me the mosogynist crap already. The only one who cant get past her being a woman and probably hates herself for being a woman is Hillary herself.
    She is going down due to character traits and not gender traits.
    Conservatives dont need to beat her. Shes doing quite well without any help from anyone.

  36. Jersey McJones said,

    Obama’s beating her. He’s doing it smartly too. He hits her where she’s vulnerable (like when she went along with Bush’s failures) and dodges her on her strengths (like her consummate policy knowledge). He’s an excellent speaker, he’s dapper and demure, and he has an aura of authority. Hillary’s strengths are not in her personal style but in her wonkishness. I am not one to care much for style over substance, but many Americans do fall for that sort of tripe.


  37. micky2 said,

    Yes Jersey , we all know Obamas beating her. But uts not because hes any smarter than the next guy. As you pointed out its because he is a better speaker, carrys a better composure and with that comes likeability. Neither one of them has any substance simply because they cant put out any clear cut examples of how exactly they are going to produce results on all their promises.
    And that is mostly due to the fact that they wont have to produce these answers untill they face McCain.
    Hillary is her own worst enemy. She produces her own negative results with no help from anyone. I seriously doubt that Obama has some little voodoo doll that makes her say and do all the dumb things she has done.
    He is not causing her to do things by sublime means or passive aggresive means or any form of reverse psychology.
    She could be running against Michael Moore and still look bad.

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    The band is still active since it reunited in 2003.

    Visit: http://www.europetheband.com

  39. Jason said,

    wow. finally…

    someone with something intelligent to say about the dems…

    i’m amazed.

    and i learned something.

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