The numbers do not add up

April 24, 2008 at 8:19 am (POLITICS)



  1. Jersey McJones said,

    She still has the SDs, and they may well know that Hillary (of all people) is a slightly better bet against against McCain regardless of the fallout from a divided convention. Don’t forget those numbers. They are real and they could make all the difference.


  2. Eagle 6 said,

    Eric, Great analogy with grandma and the itch that needs scratching with a B sting…Obama has time…this is it for her. Jersey may be right – as odd as it may seem, she is more electable today… Obama seems to be losing favor with those who aren’t on the super left, and even though he receives about 85 – 90% of Black vs white vote, and Hillery gets about 60-65% of white vs Black, there’s a whole lot more whites…and the story recently was how racist white voters are because they are voting for Hillery 2/3ds more than for Obama… Only in America…

    …I would like to be able to vote for Obama…if only his proposals were anywhere near a less than socialistic agenda, he could be good for America as a unifier. Unfortunately, we don’t need to be unified by a Big Brother of one size fits all spread the wealth while killing capitalism and disarming the US… the New Testament has some interesting philosophies… most people believe that “turn the other cheek” means accept another blow…it may mean turn so you can get a better angle for a counter punch… and the coat you give to strangers, rather than a charitable donation, may be infested with lice… OK, now that I have offended forgiveness-oriented Christians, I’ll concede that God the father is conservative, Jesus is a liberal, and fortunately, the Holy Spirit provides a balance…

  3. micky2 said,

    Eagle 6;
    I’ll concede that God the father is conservative, Jesus is a liberal, and fortunately, the Holy Spirit provides a balance…”

    Man, that debate would be some Pandoras box.
    Thats like a bad call at an Irsih soccer game

  4. micky2 said,

    Irish, sorry.

  5. charly martel said,

    Does anybody think that Hillary getting the nomiination will tear the democrat party to pieces? Can you hear the howls of racism already?

  6. micky2 said,

    If it were the other way around it would be misogyny.
    You cant win.

  7. Jersey McJones said,

    Exactly Micky. The Dems have painted themselves into a corner of their own making. They’ve made themselves feel so good they forgot what the whole point was in the first place – to win the White House. I have a blogger friend who hypothesized a couple of years ago that the Dem establishment actually wants to lose the election. He seems more prescient every day. The next president is facing an unprecedented disaster, inheriting many problems not of their own making and blamed for every one of them. It wouldn’t surprise me, if that shameless AUMF vote five years ago was any clue, that the Dems would throw one. It’s easy. Gutlessly, spinelessly easy.


  8. micky2 said,

    I believe it was the Iguana who said that.
    So chalk one up for him.
    Maybe after this disater the Dems will stop using racism and bigotry as a defense so quickly.
    But from past history I wouldnt put my money on it.
    If they do succeed I wont have any money anyway. 😦

  9. Jersey McJones said,

    Bush already spent your money, Micky. It’s on an installment plan. You can only blame that on the Dems insofar as they agreed with the GOP.


  10. micky2 said,

    I dont mind most of what hes spending it on. It is my money right ?
    Unfortunatly one of the main negatives for both Dem candidates is the they will take more.

  11. Eagle 6 said,

    If I remember correctly, the Dems took the majority a couple years ago because the “people wanted change”… and even though things have been sliding further into the gutter with unemployment, housing ‘crash’, recession, et al, we still have a less than 6% unemployment rate; 99% of the people are paying their mortgages, and the stock market was still around 12,600 or better yesterday… There’s reason to tighten things up, but the sky isn’t falling…well, it LOOKED like it was falling yesterday in Kansas with hail and balckness all around, and why Dorothy was so glad to be back is beyond me…

  12. Jersey McJones said,

    Eagle, I do not share your optimism. Joblessness is up (unemployment is a useless statistic), poverty is up, crime is up, we have over 2 million people incarcerated, we’re going on our third year of negative personal savings, the trad/accounts balance/budget deficits are up, inflation is through the roof (they don’t even include gas and food in the measurement), mortgage defaults are at record highs, housing stocks are at 38 year highs, our debt has almost doubled in the past 7 years, and the problems are beginning to spread abroad to our trading partners (British home prices are down 10% this year), and it goes on and on.

    I can’t imagine how anyone could put a smiley face on this pile of ….


  13. Eagle 6 said,

    Jersey, The reason I can put a smiley face on this is because our prime lending rate isn’t 21%, more people own homes today than ever before (to include minorities and otherwise unqualified citizens), we have a higher standard of living than we’ve ever had before, and I am free to work, sit on my butt, trade philosophies, humor, and insults with anyone I please, and nobody’s holding a gun to my head to do or not do anything…

  14. micky2 said,

    And someone somewhere cant find his morining NYTs because the sky fell on it

  15. Jersey McJones said,

    Eagle, there’s a fine line between positivism and fatalism.


  16. Joshua Godinez said,

    People I know are split as to whether Obama or Clinton would be harder to beat in the general election, but we all agree that she’d rather shred the Democratic Party than give up.

  17. micky2 said,

    Jersey, that line goes like this; ” life is what you make it’

  18. Eagle 6 said,

    Jersey – I agree with Micky that life is what you make it. I also subscribe to the serenity prayer about changing the things I can and accepting things I can’t… I’m not convinced there’s that fine of a line between being positive and fatalistic… What would be fatalistic is to get the government involved in subsidizing housing, subsidizing business over the long term, and subsidizing health care. The economy, just like the housing market,, goes through cycles. Prices were climbing because interest rates were low, and more people could afford homes, creating demand…then more tickler rates were offered, and banks loaned money to people who wouldn’t otherwise have qualified because the banks figured they would get their money, even in default, because prices were so high…and others borrowed huge amounts of money against their over-valued homes, creating more debt and/or betting against more pay at work. And the cycle spun out of control but will level out. My daughter and her husband are hammered all the time about buying a home, but they can’t even afford health insurance…but they should buy a home? They live with us, and if it were up to me, (which has absolutely nothing to do with this argument) they won’t move out until my grandkids are grown!

    The people are adjusting as well. They are starting to realize that the union-led high wages for menial labor are going fast, so they must get creative in figuring out how to make a living, and/or learn a trade, get educated, get motivated. Uncle Sugar can give people a leg up for training, schools, whatever, but we don’t need them as a primary feeding system – the more we depend on the government, the bigger it gets, and the less freedoms we have.

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