” Green jobs”
This just a buzz word, a catch phrase that gets all the environmental moonbats lit up everytime they hear it.
Anyone who is already employed in the energy sector would more than likely be adopting any green technology or ideas to their knowledge .
What does Hillary plan on doing ? Creating a bunch of tree hugger jobs that wiil replace all the people presently employed in the energy field ?
Most techs in the field have said there is no such thing as “green jobs”
Its just another name for jobs that are already being performed.
To me it sounds more like green jobs would mean more illegals doing our yards.
Did you ever consider the idea of not writing on Hillary…considering your decades old extreme disdain for her? Once you state ” Hillary is a bad person”, it’s all over…
Don’t you get that no matter how many books, articles we read, no matter how many documentaries and news progams we watch, we rarely if ever really know the individual. We live in an era where these character assassination books have become all too common.
Hillary wants to be President…Ronald Reagan did too…and Gerald Ford believed he lost to Carter in 1976 because of it…Ambition is not exactly unique to her…
I also don’t know if Dubya is a better person than John Kerry. Though, I like him a great deal more…Newt’s personal history wreaks of someone you might refer to as a “bad person.” Hillary has stood by her spouse through good days and bad…Newt supposedly left a wife as she was in the hospital giving birth. You do the math.
Let’s just get on with reality here…McCain is the only candidate left fit to deal with the world in the year 2009…good person, bad person, whatever…the others pale in comparison.
There is a common language in this nation known as English. I have many bilingual friends, work with latinos etc…I’m always peppering a phrase with a little espanol…but I had to laugh at this Ramos guy…and be dismayed by his asking questions in spanish…the idea in this country for well over a hundred years has been to work hard, learn english and within a few generations move up the ladder…and it’s been a smashing success for so very many people of all backgrounds…
I know a number of latinos who would enhance their quality of living by improving their english skills…simple as that…bright people who work in hotels and restaurants in busboy type positions…and the psychological effect it has on them is of consequence…they often see themselves as being of a lower class…even though, they could lift themselves up with a good plan and a couple of years of dilligent work and training…which is available and for little if any cost…I’ve worked in hotels for years to subsidize my art…and the programs exist…some take advantage of them and some don’t…
Brian, we have a huge new hispanic population in America. They will assimilate like everyone else after a time, but in the meantime should we just ignore them? Should we just dismiss the reality that they’re relatively new to the country and that it will take time to assimilate? And most of these folks are from poor countries with poor schools, so they don’t have the english background that immigrants with established english institutions have, like Indians and Koreans for example.
Why does this bother you guys so much? I don;t get it. And it makes you look so petty and spiteful. You’ll be lucky to get a 20th of the Hispanic vote for the GOP in coming elections if you don’t knock this rhetoric off.
Well, it’s more than that Micky. What about all the new comers watching the elections and trying to learn about our democracy? Don’t we want them to be informed citizens for the future? What about Puerto Ricans? They vote. I would bet that most people that have been here long enough to vote do understand english quite well. That’s beside the issues at hand. This all just sems petty and vindictive to me.
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These people have to go through a naturalization process that requires they study our countrys history,political process’s and customs before they are naturalized. Right?
Besides that , any TV or cable service these days offers simulcast or translation or closed captioning in spanish. Its not really neccessary for some shmuck to sit on the side and repeat everything.
I think the candidates are just trying to grab some appeal.
No, I dont think. I’ll bet on it.
Yea, Hillary did seem to be a little passive when she started with the ” no matter what happens, we’ll be fine”.
No matter what happens?
Last week it was always presumptive lines like ” when I am elected president”
Whats juvenile about keeping trhe levels of communication in our society up to a standard ?
When I go to work I expect everyone to speak the same language.
When you have two or three levels of communication going on you end up with confusion and wasted time.
Its a matter of patriotism and wanting to be an American citizen on Americas terms.
Why should I have to wait on the phone before I can select the language I want to use ?
Why should we use excess money and time and materials in drawing up so many extra documents for everyone who is too lazy to learn our language.
This is the land of the free, but it is also a land of a system. Its not just the ballot, Please ! dont narrow it down to that and cheapen the conversation by focusing only on that. Spanish translation is every where.
To the point that its only obvious to anyone that we are catering to people who dont wat to be Americans, they just want the package.
Its real simple. And its been an issue for a long time in many cultures. This is where you have the phrase ” When in Rome, do as the Romans do”
Liberals are of the position that we should honor and respect other countries cultures and systems when we go there.
Well let me ask you something.
Why should it be any different for America ?
Dont we have the right to demand that our language be spoken in our workplaces, government and schools also ? As well as the KUMBAYA gang wants us to respect others demands ?
Why must America conform or adapt and cater when foreigners come here and do the same when we go there ?
Cant have it both ways guys.
Nothing juvenile at all about not letting whats left of our system go to hell.
On the other hand , I think its juvenile and irresponsable to let things continue on the path they are on.
The first and foremost requirement of any society is that you all communicate on the same level.
I care about the ballot issue about as much as I care more taste/less filling debate, but on the other hand, it’s a nice gesture to have alternate languages, so hey, why not? I doubt it costs very much. It”s just a little more work for printers. So fine. I just doesn’t bother me.
You know what else doesn’t bother me?
Having to dial a number on the telephone to select my language doesn’t bother me at all.
Flipping through a few extra latin television and radio stations looking for a show I might like really just doesn’t bother me at all.
Hearing and listening to a person with a thick accent doesn’t bother me in the least – in fact, I love it! It’s an intellectual challenge, and a show of respect! I call that a Win/Win.
Eating the wonderful foods all these peoples bring to America not only doesn’t bother me, but I would find it a living hell to do without it now!
All the interesting music and art, films and pop culture they bring to us doesn’t bother me a bit. Some of it I like, some of it I don’t, but it sure makes life more interesting!
So really, I don’t know what you guys are complaining about or what you think is so bad about our new neighbors. I like them and I really don’t care what language they speak.
O.K.
The food , music, accents,all that has nothing to do with any of this.
You’re looking at this from an emotional personal values and somewhat humanitarian basis.
I’m looking ay this as a societal structure issue.
You may not mind all of that , bit thsat doesnt make it fair to all the other people who work hard to become Americans by studying the language.
I already mentioned how the permeating of the language into the work place effects productivity. Its a waste of tax payers money to cater to lazy people.
Someone has to pay those printers JERSEY !
But since when did the left care about anyones money except their own ?
Why should I have to dig in my pocket to print up all this literature on everything from directions on the wall in the hospital to our ballots or the interpretor they hire in courts to almost every legal document in the country ?
Its not up to me or any one else to make communication functional.
It would be nice if you could answer my question on the ballot.
Since they all should know english by the time they are allowed to vote , then lets do away with bi lingual ballots, right ? And every other bi lingual document . Unless they are in grade school learning the language.
And also. Why do moonbats insist we respect other cultures so much , but it doesnt matter if American culture gets taken over and put out of balance by immigrants ?
A person that has any dignity , pride and integrity adapts to the people culture and surroundings, and does not expect the surroundings, culture and people to adapt to him. Life is much easier when you choose to understand everyone else. Instead of expecting them all to understand you.
To be an American does not necessarily require one to speak English and never has. Yes, it is highly beneficial for anyone living and working in the US to speak the dominant language, and I, for one, strongly encourage everyone to speak it, but English has never been the universal language of the country. When Thomas Jefferson completed the Louisiana Purchase, the residents of the United States spoke not only English but German and French, not to mention a huge variety of Native American languages.
My grandmother spoke Finnish at home as that was all my great-grandparents spoke and that was the case throughout her neighborhood in Michigan. Aside from vast areas in the Southwest where Spanish has long been the primary language, there are pockets in Texas and in California where German is still the primary language. And, of course, I live in a state where the largest cities are Los Angeles, San Diego, San Jose, and San Francisco.
Yes, not necessary but beneficial not only to them but to the rest of the country as well.
The days of Thomas jefferson are long gone.
Society has streamlined itself to point of efficiency that with the help of liberal agendas will go backwards if they get their way.
Whatever Jersey.
It makes no logic to have the mass adapt to the one, when its so much more efficient and functional to just teach the one guy english.
This is a ridiculous arguement that we should cater to those who dont want to function in a society that has a standard of communication.
You keep arguing it from a personal and emotional level by bringing up our acceptance of accents and music and cultures when all that has nothing to with basic communication and the fucntion opf our literary infrastructure.
If someone is paralized for life in a wheel chair or disabled somehow, by all means we should accomodate that person.
I see no reason to accomodate someone who is too lazy to learn to use the facilities that an able bodied person should be able to use.
Besides that , as Greg said, its only beneficial to them to learn english for their own sake.
You still havnt answerd the question
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micky said,
February 22, 2008 at 10:54 am
” Green jobs”
This just a buzz word, a catch phrase that gets all the environmental moonbats lit up everytime they hear it.
Anyone who is already employed in the energy sector would more than likely be adopting any green technology or ideas to their knowledge .
What does Hillary plan on doing ? Creating a bunch of tree hugger jobs that wiil replace all the people presently employed in the energy field ?
Most techs in the field have said there is no such thing as “green jobs”
Its just another name for jobs that are already being performed.
To me it sounds more like green jobs would mean more illegals doing our yards.
Jersey McJones said,
February 22, 2008 at 11:52 am
What do you guys have against people speaking spanish anyway? It doesn’t bother me, but man it sure makes you guys look hateful.
JMJ
Brian said,
February 22, 2008 at 11:58 am
Did you ever consider the idea of not writing on Hillary…considering your decades old extreme disdain for her? Once you state ” Hillary is a bad person”, it’s all over…
Don’t you get that no matter how many books, articles we read, no matter how many documentaries and news progams we watch, we rarely if ever really know the individual. We live in an era where these character assassination books have become all too common.
Hillary wants to be President…Ronald Reagan did too…and Gerald Ford believed he lost to Carter in 1976 because of it…Ambition is not exactly unique to her…
I also don’t know if Dubya is a better person than John Kerry. Though, I like him a great deal more…Newt’s personal history wreaks of someone you might refer to as a “bad person.” Hillary has stood by her spouse through good days and bad…Newt supposedly left a wife as she was in the hospital giving birth. You do the math.
Let’s just get on with reality here…McCain is the only candidate left fit to deal with the world in the year 2009…good person, bad person, whatever…the others pale in comparison.
Brian said,
February 22, 2008 at 12:18 pm
There is a common language in this nation known as English. I have many bilingual friends, work with latinos etc…I’m always peppering a phrase with a little espanol…but I had to laugh at this Ramos guy…and be dismayed by his asking questions in spanish…the idea in this country for well over a hundred years has been to work hard, learn english and within a few generations move up the ladder…and it’s been a smashing success for so very many people of all backgrounds…
I know a number of latinos who would enhance their quality of living by improving their english skills…simple as that…bright people who work in hotels and restaurants in busboy type positions…and the psychological effect it has on them is of consequence…they often see themselves as being of a lower class…even though, they could lift themselves up with a good plan and a couple of years of dilligent work and training…which is available and for little if any cost…I’ve worked in hotels for years to subsidize my art…and the programs exist…some take advantage of them and some don’t…
Jersey McJones said,
February 22, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Brian, we have a huge new hispanic population in America. They will assimilate like everyone else after a time, but in the meantime should we just ignore them? Should we just dismiss the reality that they’re relatively new to the country and that it will take time to assimilate? And most of these folks are from poor countries with poor schools, so they don’t have the english background that immigrants with established english institutions have, like Indians and Koreans for example.
Why does this bother you guys so much? I don;t get it. And it makes you look so petty and spiteful. You’ll be lucky to get a 20th of the Hispanic vote for the GOP in coming elections if you don’t knock this rhetoric off.
JMJ
micky said,
February 22, 2008 at 12:27 pm
If you,ve been here long enough to vote as a citizen but cant speak english yet something is wrong.
Jersey McJones said,
February 22, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Well, it’s more than that Micky. What about all the new comers watching the elections and trying to learn about our democracy? Don’t we want them to be informed citizens for the future? What about Puerto Ricans? They vote. I would bet that most people that have been here long enough to vote do understand english quite well. That’s beside the issues at hand. This all just sems petty and vindictive to me.
JMJ
Jersey McJones said,
February 22, 2008 at 12:51 pm
And is it just me or did Hillary basically concede the election last night at the end of the debate?
JMJ
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micky2 said,
February 22, 2008 at 2:07 pm
These people have to go through a naturalization process that requires they study our countrys history,political process’s and customs before they are naturalized. Right?
Besides that , any TV or cable service these days offers simulcast or translation or closed captioning in spanish. Its not really neccessary for some shmuck to sit on the side and repeat everything.
I think the candidates are just trying to grab some appeal.
No, I dont think. I’ll bet on it.
Yea, Hillary did seem to be a little passive when she started with the ” no matter what happens, we’ll be fine”.
No matter what happens?
Last week it was always presumptive lines like ” when I am elected president”
Jersey McJones said,
February 22, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Yeah, I thought that last line from Hillary was interesting. I think she sees the writing on the wall.
As for the spanish issue, I just think it’s petty and makes you guys look bad. I would drop it if I were you guys.
JMJ
micky2 said,
February 22, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Not really bad, just a question that has good relevance.
Lets approach it from this angle.
You said;
” I would bet that most people that have been here long enough to vote do understand english quite well. ”
So if thats the case, then we can do away with multi lingual ballots , right ?
Jersey McJones said,
February 22, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Micky, is that really important to you? Is this the kind of thing that really concerns you conservatives???
I’m sorry, but it seems juvenile to me.
JMJ
micky2 said,
February 22, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Whats juvenile about keeping trhe levels of communication in our society up to a standard ?
When I go to work I expect everyone to speak the same language.
When you have two or three levels of communication going on you end up with confusion and wasted time.
Its a matter of patriotism and wanting to be an American citizen on Americas terms.
Why should I have to wait on the phone before I can select the language I want to use ?
Why should we use excess money and time and materials in drawing up so many extra documents for everyone who is too lazy to learn our language.
This is the land of the free, but it is also a land of a system. Its not just the ballot, Please ! dont narrow it down to that and cheapen the conversation by focusing only on that. Spanish translation is every where.
To the point that its only obvious to anyone that we are catering to people who dont wat to be Americans, they just want the package.
Its real simple. And its been an issue for a long time in many cultures. This is where you have the phrase ” When in Rome, do as the Romans do”
Liberals are of the position that we should honor and respect other countries cultures and systems when we go there.
Well let me ask you something.
Why should it be any different for America ?
Dont we have the right to demand that our language be spoken in our workplaces, government and schools also ? As well as the KUMBAYA gang wants us to respect others demands ?
Why must America conform or adapt and cater when foreigners come here and do the same when we go there ?
Cant have it both ways guys.
Nothing juvenile at all about not letting whats left of our system go to hell.
On the other hand , I think its juvenile and irresponsable to let things continue on the path they are on.
The first and foremost requirement of any society is that you all communicate on the same level.
Tell me, please !
micky2 said,
February 22, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Oh , by the way. You never answerd the ballot question.
Jersey McJones said,
February 22, 2008 at 6:02 pm
I care about the ballot issue about as much as I care more taste/less filling debate, but on the other hand, it’s a nice gesture to have alternate languages, so hey, why not? I doubt it costs very much. It”s just a little more work for printers. So fine. I just doesn’t bother me.
You know what else doesn’t bother me?
Having to dial a number on the telephone to select my language doesn’t bother me at all.
Flipping through a few extra latin television and radio stations looking for a show I might like really just doesn’t bother me at all.
Hearing and listening to a person with a thick accent doesn’t bother me in the least – in fact, I love it! It’s an intellectual challenge, and a show of respect! I call that a Win/Win.
Eating the wonderful foods all these peoples bring to America not only doesn’t bother me, but I would find it a living hell to do without it now!
All the interesting music and art, films and pop culture they bring to us doesn’t bother me a bit. Some of it I like, some of it I don’t, but it sure makes life more interesting!
So really, I don’t know what you guys are complaining about or what you think is so bad about our new neighbors. I like them and I really don’t care what language they speak.
JMJ
micky2 said,
February 22, 2008 at 6:40 pm
O.K.
The food , music, accents,all that has nothing to do with any of this.
You’re looking at this from an emotional personal values and somewhat humanitarian basis.
I’m looking ay this as a societal structure issue.
You may not mind all of that , bit thsat doesnt make it fair to all the other people who work hard to become Americans by studying the language.
I already mentioned how the permeating of the language into the work place effects productivity. Its a waste of tax payers money to cater to lazy people.
Someone has to pay those printers JERSEY !
But since when did the left care about anyones money except their own ?
Why should I have to dig in my pocket to print up all this literature on everything from directions on the wall in the hospital to our ballots or the interpretor they hire in courts to almost every legal document in the country ?
Its not up to me or any one else to make communication functional.
It would be nice if you could answer my question on the ballot.
Since they all should know english by the time they are allowed to vote , then lets do away with bi lingual ballots, right ? And every other bi lingual document . Unless they are in grade school learning the language.
And also. Why do moonbats insist we respect other cultures so much , but it doesnt matter if American culture gets taken over and put out of balance by immigrants ?
micky2 said,
February 22, 2008 at 6:49 pm
A person that has any dignity , pride and integrity adapts to the people culture and surroundings, and does not expect the surroundings, culture and people to adapt to him. Life is much easier when you choose to understand everyone else. Instead of expecting them all to understand you.
greg said,
February 22, 2008 at 9:27 pm
To be an American does not necessarily require one to speak English and never has. Yes, it is highly beneficial for anyone living and working in the US to speak the dominant language, and I, for one, strongly encourage everyone to speak it, but English has never been the universal language of the country. When Thomas Jefferson completed the Louisiana Purchase, the residents of the United States spoke not only English but German and French, not to mention a huge variety of Native American languages.
My grandmother spoke Finnish at home as that was all my great-grandparents spoke and that was the case throughout her neighborhood in Michigan. Aside from vast areas in the Southwest where Spanish has long been the primary language, there are pockets in Texas and in California where German is still the primary language. And, of course, I live in a state where the largest cities are Los Angeles, San Diego, San Jose, and San Francisco.
Jersey McJones said,
February 22, 2008 at 9:46 pm
All this talk of lingual misunderstanding.
I am ashamed that Americans have such a hard time with language. What a pathetic commentary on us.
JMJ
micky2 said,
February 22, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Yes, not necessary but beneficial not only to them but to the rest of the country as well.
The days of Thomas jefferson are long gone.
Society has streamlined itself to point of efficiency that with the help of liberal agendas will go backwards if they get their way.
Jersey McJones said,
February 22, 2008 at 9:48 pm
“Society has streamlined itself to point of efficiency that with the help of liberal agendas will go backwards if they get their way.”
You sound like Marx, Micky.
JMJ
micky2 said,
February 22, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Whatever Jersey.
It makes no logic to have the mass adapt to the one, when its so much more efficient and functional to just teach the one guy english.
This is a ridiculous arguement that we should cater to those who dont want to function in a society that has a standard of communication.
You keep arguing it from a personal and emotional level by bringing up our acceptance of accents and music and cultures when all that has nothing to with basic communication and the fucntion opf our literary infrastructure.
If someone is paralized for life in a wheel chair or disabled somehow, by all means we should accomodate that person.
I see no reason to accomodate someone who is too lazy to learn to use the facilities that an able bodied person should be able to use.
Besides that , as Greg said, its only beneficial to them to learn english for their own sake.
You still havnt answerd the question
Jersey McJones said,
February 23, 2008 at 9:41 am
What question?
JMJ
micky said,
February 23, 2008 at 10:07 am
You said;
” I would bet that most people that have been here long enough to vote do understand english quite well. ”
So if thats the case, then we can do away with multi lingual ballots , right ?
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